Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-21 Thread Mister Thrapostibongles
Benjamin There appear to be misconceptions about the CC licences in general. They may be free in the sense of no money changing hands but that does not mean they are free in the sense of being without conditions or restrictions. The CC-BY-SA licences that Wikipedia uses allow for use of material

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-21 Thread James Heilman
Either advocacy or partnerships. Would be nice to see that license deprecated or at least no longer supported by Creative Commons. James On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 10:36 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > Where would it fit in Strategy 2030? Advocacy? > > Paulo > > James

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-20 Thread Benjamin Ikuta
Do you think it might be a common misconception, perhaps? On May 20, 2019, at 6:39 AM, Paulo Santos Perneta wrote: > The idea that NC is "open and free" is growing like a cancer in Brazil and > Portugal. I've been noticing that for some time already, and I do believe > we as a Movement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-20 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
The idea that NC is "open and free" is growing like a cancer in Brazil and Portugal. I've been noticing that for some time already, and I do believe we as a Movement should have some sort of plan or strategy to fight that - and never indulge in accepting NC as a valid license for the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-20 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Where would it fit in Strategy 2030? Advocacy? Paulo James Heilman escreveu no dia segunda, 20/05/2019 à(s) 05:41: > We all agree NC licenses are poor. The WMF position was a reflection of the > community's position at the time and this likely remains the community's > position today. > > If

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-20 Thread Yury Bulka
> From: Lane Rasberry > > In 2009 Creative Commons published "Defining Noncommercial", a 250-page > report presenting survey data on what people consider to be > "noncommercial". There is a copy of the report at > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_NonCommercial_license Thanks a lot,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-20 Thread Yury Bulka
> From: Mister Thrapostibongles > > I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Firstly, this isn't the right venue > for a discussion of the general principle of non-commercial licensing, > especially as the Foundation has decided on the use of licences that permit > commercial reuse. In my opition

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-19 Thread James Heilman
We all agree NC licenses are poor. The WMF position was a reflection of the community's position at the time and this likely remains the community's position today. If we as a movement however were to decide we want to allow NC video such that we can use Khan academy and Ted talks I doubt the WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-19 Thread Mister Thrapostibongles
James > Per "the Foundation has decided", it is not the foundation but our movement > that has decided that we will mostly only allow licenses that allow > commercial reuse. > That doesn't seem quite right. The Foundation Board adopted a resolution on 23 March 2007, which is published at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-19 Thread Lane Rasberry
In 2009 Creative Commons published "Defining Noncommercial", a 250-page report presenting survey data on what people consider to be "noncommercial". There is a copy of the report at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creative_Commons_NonCommercial_license My summary of that report is that no one knows

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-19 Thread James Heilman
Per "the Foundation has decided", it is not the foundation but our movement that has decided that we will mostly only allow licenses that allow commercial reuse. By the way EN WP also allows fair use of certain images which may not permit commercial reuse in certain jurisdictions. James On Sun,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-18 Thread Mister Thrapostibongles
Yury I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Firstly, this isn't the right venue for a discussion of the general principle of non-commercial licensing, especially as the Foundation has decided on the use of licences that permit commercial reuse. And secondly, there's nothing to prevent a rights

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-18 Thread James Heilman
Interesting. So nearly everything is covered by a place of work. So there opinion appears to be that the NC license is simple a way to pretend one is using an open license well changing nothing. On Sat, May 18, 2019, 18:42 Yury Bulka wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Just stumbled upon an page where

[Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-18 Thread Yury Bulka
Hello everyone, Just stumbled upon an page where Swiss collecting society SUISA lists things which they consider commercial use within CC NC licenses, as applied to works they have copyright on (delegated from authors who are their members). It's quite interesting and I think it is a very good