Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-05 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Josh Lim wrote: In the absence of any meaningful alternative, what should we do then? Close down Wikipedia Zero and let the developing world languish in the dark? Technically it would be entirely possible for service providers to offer access to Wikipedia for free even if the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-05 Thread Lilburne
On 02/04/2015 02:54, Mike Godwin wrote: Andreas writes: Prominent organisations campaigning for a free and open web very strongly disagree with your view. I said there are no facts, and you responded by citing opinion pieces. That's cool, but opinions are not themselves facts. Furthermore, in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-04 Thread rupert THURNER
hi mike, while i love irony, and value your opinion a lot, i find the tone of this email a little harsh, not to call it unfair. net neutrality targets censorship in some countries, but price to access internet in most countries, which is antitrust or competition law. You are well known for free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-04 Thread Mike Godwin
Rupert Thurner writes: while i love irony, and value your opinion a lot, i find the tone of this email a little harsh, not to call it unfair. I'm strangely untroubled by harsh, but I'm glad you don't call it unfair. I don't think I was unfair. Besides, when someone is as insignificant as I am,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-03 Thread Jens Best
: 31 March 2015 09:27 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships Dear Gerard, your arguments are just emotional rhetorics. Saying that white, privileged and well educated people aren't allowed to critize ways

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-02 Thread Anthony Cole
Hi Kourosh! The Wikimedia Foundation's vision is of a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Knowledge, not unreliable assertions. Presently we offer unreliable assertions. I would be grateful for any support you can offer us in fostering

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Mike Godwin
GerardM writes: With Wikipedia Zero people have access to knowledge that they would not have otherwise. It is well established that having information readily available is an important indicator for further development. Not having Wikipedia available is absolutely a worse situation than

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Mike Godwin
If only my emails were wiki-editable. Thanks for the correction regarding my affiliation. Seems to me that in its current form it's just going to drag along---Zero either needs a clear procedural rethink or it needs to be would down. The only two possible choices, eh? --Mike On Wed, Apr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Aleksey Bilogur
Er, Mike, this is a minor point but your signature seems to indicate that you were general counsel for over a millennium---very impressive! Personally I think that Zero should be evaluated from an impact perspective. While it's indisputable that it's strategically aligned with the WMF mission, if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Jens Best
Dear Gerard, your arguments are just emotional rhetorics. Saying that white, privileged and well educated people aren't allowed to critize ways how first-world-led telecoms (like Orange, Telenor) are spreading a wrong, non-open internet in developing countries is just plain emotional rhetoric far

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Josh Lim
Hi Jens, In the absence of any meaningful alternative, what should we do then? Close down Wikipedia Zero and let the developing world languish in the dark? We talk of a more sustainable way to bring free knowledge (which is far more than Wikipedia)”, yet we’re not seeing anything coming out

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: It should be noted that the Federal Communications Commission, in its recent Report and Order requiring network neutrality for American telcos and service providers, expressly refused to draw a categorical conclusion

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se wrote: I can agree on the dilemma you present. But would not a better solution then the close down on Wikipedia Zero, be to close down the projects that is not run compatible with the values underlying the idea of a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Kourosh Karimkhany
On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Tanweer Morshed wiki.tanw...@gmail.com wrote: Welcome to Kourosh! Wikimedians around the world have already been creating partnerships under various programs including GLAMs and with universities, institutions etc. This is rational from the sense that this new

[Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Mike Godwin
Andreas writes: Prominent organisations campaigning for a free and open web very strongly disagree with your view. I said there are no facts, and you responded by citing opinion pieces. That's cool, but opinions are not themselves facts. Furthermore, in some circles, I've been considered from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread rupert THURNER
On Apr 1, 2015 6:03 PM, Josh Lim jamesjoshua...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Jens, In the absence of any meaningful alternative, what should we do then? Close down Wikipedia Zero and let the developing world languish in the dark? We talk of a more sustainable way to bring free knowledge (which is far

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Peter Southwood
: 31 March 2015 09:27 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships Dear Gerard, your arguments are just emotional rhetorics. Saying that white, privileged and well educated people aren't allowed to critize ways

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Jens Best
Hi Josh et al., as you seemed a bit upset, I want to take the chance to answer you to better understand my position. Taking your brutal honesty into account I will try to be the same. I wasn't sure especially about that point in the discussion, because my knowledge about the access situations

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 15-04-01 03:57 PM, Jens Best wrote: For me (and other students) going online wasn't cheap back in the 90s Perhaps the date is the issue here, but is this some attempt at humour? Wasn't cheap? Are you seriously comparing your student lifestyle with the socioeconomic reality of the people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, With Wikipedia Zero people have access to knowledge that they would not have otherwise. It is well established that having information readily available is an important indicator for further development. Not having Wikipedia available is absolutely a worse situation than having it. Your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-31 Thread Josh Lim
I’m sorry, Andreas, but I cannot in good conscience support your stance calling for the closure of Wikipedia Zero, coming from a country that has so far benefited from the program not only in terms of the number of new readers that we have, but also potentially pave the way for more users as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-30 Thread Jens Best
Saying that it is a normal term in the USA doesn't contradict the impression Andreas has. 2015-03-29 14:03 GMT+02:00 Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com: I find the term Advancement Department has a somewhat Orwellian ring. It's quite a normal term in the USA. For instance, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-30 Thread Jens Best
Well, first of all, welcome Kourosh. I'm looking forward to see how the reality of this exciting job description gonna look like. For me this also sounds like a clear move to a more politically positioned understanding of this aspect of the growing importance of the Wikimedia-Movment globally.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-30 Thread Andreas Kolbe
The recent Newsweek story on the Wifione / IIPM admin corruption case[1] has clear implications for Wikipedia Zero. Wikipedia Zero creates hundreds of millions of passive Wikipedia users who: - Cannot see the sources of a Wikipedia article (I believe SMS users cannot even see which statements

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-30 Thread Anders Wennersten
I can agree on the dilemma you present. But would not a better solution then the close down on Wikipedia Zero, be to close down the projects that is not run compatible with the values underlying the idea of a free and open web?. I am (still) of the opinion that is is of utmost importance for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-29 Thread Chris Keating
I find the term Advancement Department has a somewhat Orwellian ring. It's quite a normal term in the USA. For instance, the Council for Advancement and Support of Education is the (global, but US-dominated) professional body for university fundraisers. Chris

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-28 Thread Andreas Kolbe
I find the term Advancement Department has a somewhat Orwellian ring. The FAQ mentions that – The new role is focused on creating value for the Wikimedia movement and on supporting our ability to fulfil our mission. Value can be understood in many different ways. We believe that it can be about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-28 Thread Hasive Nurunnaby
Welcome, Kourosh! On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: I find the term Advancement Department has a somewhat Orwellian ring. The FAQ mentions that – The new role is focused on creating value for the Wikimedia movement and on supporting our ability to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-28 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Fri, 27 Mar 2015 23:17:20 +0100 Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Welcome, Kourosh! Cristian Welcome, Kourosh, and good luck! Regards, -- Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish

[Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-27 Thread Lila Tretikov
Dear Wikimedians, In order to encourage the expansion of knowledge, we’ve been considering new ways to support and develop the work you do. Collaboration is an essential part of the Wikimedia movement, and today, I’m excited to let you know about a new addition at the Wikimedia Foundation that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-27 Thread Sydney Poore
Welcome to the wikimedia movement, Kourosh. Looking forward to seeing the partnerships and initiatives that can be grown that support our mission. Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikipedian in Residence at Cochrane Collaboration On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Lila Tretikov

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-27 Thread Cristian Consonni
Welcome, Kourosh! Cristian ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-27 Thread Lodewijk
Welcome Kourosh. In Wikimedian spirit, i would like to take the opportunity to ask the silly question: is the structure of what all titles in Wikimedia mean, described somewhere? Because to be honest, I'm getting all confused about who ranks what in the structure of directors, vice presidents,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-27 Thread Jan Ainali
Lodewijk: there is this interactive org chart, but I do not know how official it is: http://orgcharts.wmflabs.org/#5085aa408fedf26b6801/ *Med vänliga hälsningar,Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://wikimedia.se 0729 - 67 29 48 *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-27 Thread MZMcBride
Lodewijk wrote: In Wikimedian spirit, i would like to take the opportunity to ask the silly question: is the structure of what all titles in Wikimedia mean, described somewhere? Because to be honest, I'm getting all confused about who ranks what in the structure of directors, vice presidents,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-27 Thread Samuel Klein
Fantastic news and a great advancement - welcome Kourosh! SJ On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear Wikimedians, In order to encourage the expansion of knowledge, we’ve been considering new ways to support and develop the work you do. Collaboration is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-27 Thread Pine W
Welcome Kourosh. (: Can you give us some examples of partnerships that you will be developing or supporting? It would also be really interesting to hear how your role relates to the kinds of institutional relationships that other departments have formed over the years. I'd love to hear an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-03-27 Thread Tonmoy Khan
Welcome Kourosh to the Wikimedia family :) Cheers Ali Haidar Khan FDC Member Treasurer, Wikimedia Bangladesh On Mar 28, 2015 6:02 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Welcome Kourosh. (: Can you give us some examples of partnerships that you will be developing or supporting? It would