Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-28 Thread Michael Peel
Sadly, uploading images to Commons is as slow as ever, even with HHVM. :-( I often find that it takes a couple of minutes to upload a single photo, most of which is server-side delays rather than file upload time. I’m guessing that it’s something other than the PHP processor that’s causing this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-22 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Samuel Klein, 22/09/2014 01:05: Ori and all: this is really fantastic. Thank you. I'm seeing 2+ second speedups (on 6+s loads :/ ) on longish pages such as And saving a null edit to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cbrown1023/Logos went from 90+ seconds to ~30 for me I think? :p

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-21 Thread Pine W
Thanks, but I'm looking for something that is more specific to MediaWiki and that commits development teams to specific, standardized, and transparently measured quality metrics as products advance or regress in their path to production release. Pine

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi. What is it that you want to achieve? What is the cost and what is the benefit? Reporting raises expectations and it solidifies development making it LESS agile and LESS responsive! The question therefore is so you have more information but what good does it do you, me us ? Thanks,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-21 Thread Pine W
Given longtime experience with problematic releases of MediaWiki features, I think that published quality standards that products must meet in order to become production releases could help to limit the number and seriousness of additional troubled launches. These standards would also reduce the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The problem is not so much in expected standards, it is in realistic standards. The latest announcement of the improvement in speed was welcomed by someone stating I do not give a fuck because my tool does not woirk with this crap. There are two issues, tools break and are not part of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-21 Thread Anders Wennersten
Pine, I believe your points are very valid and relevant To know of the process WMF is using is a basic demand, in order for users to know what to expect and how to relate to releases. To know what process is used is not the same as asking for more bureaucracy. Even a process description like

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-21 Thread Pine W
Just a few thoughts: * I agree that the tone of the email that started this discussion about software quality standards was unnecessarily critical. Even in production releases, users may find occasional bugs. * The intent of HHVM implementation and James' quick response to the problem report are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-21 Thread Samuel Klein
Ori and all: this is really fantastic. Thank you. I'm seeing 2+ second speedups (on 6+s loads :/ ) on longish pages such as https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Pageaction=history Rand, seconding some of your ideas: I would welcome

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-20 Thread Rand McRanderson
Here is one idea. A dashboard of top level Wikimedia projects with statuses, estimates, and a key to terms. Or does this exist? On Sep 20, 2014 3:37 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have a published guideline somewhere about MediaWiki quality standards for pre-alpha, alpha, beta, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-20 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hello, On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 9:32 PM, Rand McRanderson therands...@gmail.com wrote: Here is one idea. A dashboard of top level Wikimedia projects with statuses, estimates, and a key to terms. Or does this exist? There is https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering/Dashboard It

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-20 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Rand McRanderson, 20/09/2014 21:32: Here is one idea. A dashboard of top level Wikimedia projects https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Engineering with statuses, estimates, and a key to terms. Or does this exist? No:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-19 Thread Anders Wennersten
I experienced no improved answer time, but all time stamps in Wikipedia for me become wrong making it impossible to use the feature. I would call this problem a thing that should have been found in an alpha text... Anders Ori Livneh skrev 2014-09-19 03:39: (apologies for cross-posting) I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-19 Thread Ori Livneh
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se wrote: I experienced no improved answer time, but all time stamps in Wikipedia for me become wrong making it impossible to use the feature. I would call this problem a thing that should have been found in an alpha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-19 Thread Anders Wennersten
It has to do with timezone preferences. All times in latest changes and in my edits states time two hour wrong In am not sure what you mean with take timezone into account, I just clicked into the box as stated in your mail, and then all times changed, and when I took off the feature all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-19 Thread James Alexander
Yeah, I can confirm this. It appears that when you turn on HHVM it forces the default time setting to be UTC, so if you're on a wiki which uses a non UTC default time zone (usually the time zone of the region most using the language, we do this on around 200 wikis) suddenly all of the times you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-19 Thread James Alexander
Bug filed at: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71036 To correct myself: It does NOT appear that the signature time zone is affected, that is always the local wiki default as defined in http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/InitialiseSettings.php.txt no matter what you set in appearances.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-19 Thread Anders Wennersten
Thanks!, glad you could sort this out and file a bug But really, I understand from this that this feature was released as a Beta feature without it ever been tried out on any other project then enwp, which for me indicate a proper process for Alpha test before release to beta as been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-19 Thread Ori Livneh
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 2:27 AM, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Bug filed at: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=71036 Yep! Good catch. Thanks James, Anders. I have a patch up at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/161439. ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-19 Thread Ori Livneh
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:14 AM, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se wrote: Thanks!, glad you could sort this out and file a bug But really, I understand from this that this feature was released as a Beta feature without it ever been tried out on any other project then enwp, which

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-19 Thread MF-Warburg
Why should he give himself credit for your insufficient testing? Am 19.09.2014 12:19 schrieb Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org: On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:14 AM, Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se wrote: Thanks!, glad you could sort this out and file a bug But really, I understand

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-19 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi, On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:15 PM, MF-Warburg mfwarb...@googlemail.com wrote: Why should he give himself credit for your insufficient testing? Insufficient is in the eyes of the beholder :) Beta Features are experimental, and Ori's announcement clearly indicated that this particular feature

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-19 Thread Todd Allen
This was testing done right. The feature was offered as opt in and clearly marked as beta. A bug was found and quickly fixed. When you're testing beta software, you have to expect bugs. We've been quick enough to knock rollouts done poorly or made default with inadequate testing, and should be.

[Wikimedia-l] Invitation to beta-test HHVM

2014-09-18 Thread Ori Livneh
(apologies for cross-posting) I'm happy to announce that HHVM is available on all Wikimedia wikis for intrepid beta testers. HHVM, you'll recall, is an alternative runtime for PHP that provides substantial performance improvements over the standard PHP interpreter. Simply put: HHVM is software