Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-03-15 Thread Daniel Zahn
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote It's hard to credit that people are still pushing for the WMF to accept Bitcoin payments after the worlds major venue for trading them, the Magic: The Gathering Online Exchange, crashed and disappeared $500m. Obviously not a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-03-15 Thread David Gerard
On 15 March 2014 13:31, Daniel Zahn dz...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote It's hard to credit that people are still pushing for the WMF to accept Bitcoin payments after the worlds major venue for trading them, the Magic: The Gathering

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-03-10 Thread Charles Gregory
Hi everyone, I thought it may be worth pointing out that this conversation has be re-opened by Jimmy on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/201fa6/hello_from_jimmy_wales_of_wikipedia/http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/201fa6/hello_from_jimmy_wales_of_wikipedia/ On it he

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-03-10 Thread Andrew Lih
Jimmy's already noted this is WRONG, but the erroneous Telegraph story reads: Wikipedia charity begins accepting Bitcoin donations after co-founder Jimmy Wales set up a personal account to play around with digital currency and was swamped with cash

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-03-10 Thread Oliver Keyes
sarcasm Wow, we've made an entire 1.6k out of bitcoin? This totally seems like the highest-value way to spend our time! Thanks, Bitcoin! I'm sure that the value of these items won't wildly vary in short spaces of time based on things like, oh, your propensity to have banking neophytes host your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-03-10 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Charles Gregory, 10/03/2014 14:26: On it he states I'm planning to re-open the conversation with the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Directors at our next meeting (and before, by email) about whether Wikimedia should accept bitcoin. More info at the thread itself. What's the board of directors?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-03-10 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: sarcasm Wow, we've made an entire 1.6k out of bitcoin? This totally seems like the highest-value way to spend our time! Thanks, Bitcoin! I'm sure that the value of these items won't wildly vary in short spaces of time

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-01-08 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: In general, I would personally like it if the WMF avoided accepting bitcoin. Today, bitcoin isn't really a functioning currency of exchange -- it's actually used more as an investment tool to create wealth that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-01-08 Thread John Vandenberg
Thanks Erik for a well written overview. Would it be possible for the WMF to give an estimate on what it would cost to build and/or what the threshold of annual bitcoin donations would make it worthwhile building. Someone might be interested in donating specifically to have this built, or we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-01-08 Thread Matthew Walker
I will probably regret saying this[1] -- but the figure we like to throw around here in fundraising tech is that a new payments gateway [2] is not even worth considering unless it is likely to make us at least 500K USD a year[3]. Or, in the case that it is not an immediate payoff, if it is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2014-01-08 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Matthew Walker mwal...@wikimedia.org wrote: It is a significant undertaking to integrate a new gateway with our current code (think several man months of time related to coding, code review, donor services preparation, and testing; not including contract

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-13 Thread Steven Walling
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:17 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: As Peter just said, there is no risk if WMF converts bitcoin donations to USD immediately. Uh... except that because Bitcoin is not a regulated currency, it's value has the potential to fluctuate wildly, and seems to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-13 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Steven Walling wrote: Uh... except that because Bitcoin is not a regulated currency, it's value has the potential to fluctuate wildly, and seems to have done so since it attracts speculators of all crazy sorts. Seems pretty fuckin risky to me. I see no reason why the fluctuation of Bitcoin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-13 Thread David Gerard
On 13 December 2013 11:43, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: Who's to say if the work involved in accepting bitcoins, monitoring transactions, converting them, etc. will be worth the actual donations we receive in bitcoin? Developing and maintaining payments systems doesn't come

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-13 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Andrew Bogott wrote: So, we have a problem, and then we have an already-implemented solution... what is left for anyone to do but dust off their hands and go to lunch? If Bitpay has already solved the exact problem that we're discussion, why would the foundation spend a nickel duplicating

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-13 Thread MZMcBride
Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: Andrew Bogott wrote: So, we have a problem, and then we have an already-implemented solution... what is left for anyone to do but dust off their hands and go to lunch? If Bitpay has already solved the exact problem that we're discussion, why would the foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-13 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 8:24 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Re: http://blog.bitpay.com/2012/11/donate-to-wikipedia-with-bitcoin.html I'm not sure I'm following all of this correctly. I thought the idea was that BitPay would exchange Bitcoins for USDs and then donate the USDs to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-12 Thread Chris Keating
Other forms of money we do not currently accept include gold coins, Yap money, Tesco Clubcard Points, cowrie shells and cattle. We could accept any of them in theory. Though if anyone wants to donate a herd of cattle to Wikimedia UK please could they contact the office in advance. Chris On 12

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-12 Thread Peter Gervai
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 12/12/13 02:54, Nathan wrote: Bitcoin isn't native currency for anyone, and anyone who wishes to make a Bitcoin donation could certainly do so using a more standard currency. I would think that if anonymity is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-12 Thread Steven Walling
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Jake Orlowitz jorlow...@gmail.com wrote: * Our peers like EFF, and Internet archive accept it To be totally honest, I think this is moot. Support for bitcoin among these two organizations has hardly been a ringing endorsement. In the past, EFF has rejected it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-12 Thread John Vandenberg
On Dec 13, 2013 5:55 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Jake Orlowitz jorlow...@gmail.com wrote: * Our peers like EFF, and Internet archive accept it To be totally honest, I think this is moot. Support for bitcoin among these two

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-12 Thread Peter Gervai
On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:54 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: naturally appreciates in value, like playing the stock market or buying gold. Avoiding lots of risky investments is something our very competent I do not plan to get into a perpetual debate just wanted to point

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread David Gerard
On 10 December 2013 23:13, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 11/12/13 06:58, Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: I'm sure those reading this list can Google the topic themselves, so I won't link to the many angry discussion that are taking place on the interwebs right now; I tried

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread James Alexander
[completely personal opinion] To be totally, completely, honest I don't really want us to collect it... and at this point it's mostly for personal reasons. First off this isn't really a huge new push to get us to accept bitcoin, they have been doing this ever 5-6 months in an organized fashion

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread Tom Morris
I demand that the Wikimedia Foundation start accepting the following: Litecoin Namecoin PPCoin Feathercoin Craftcoin Quarkcoin Freicoin Devcoin Terracoin BBQCoin Netcoin Actually, scrap that, I've got an even better Ponzi scheme - sorry, cryptocurrency: TomCoin. And, best of all, if you start

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread David Gerard
It's *completely* wrong to call these things Ponzi schemes. *Technically*, they're pump-and-dumps. - d. On 11 Dec 2013 10:59, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: I demand that the Wikimedia Foundation start accepting the following: Litecoin Namecoin PPCoin Feathercoin Craftcoin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread MZMcBride
James Alexander wrote: That said while I don't think the effort involved here is tiny/insubstantial the real reason I don't want to do it is because, at this point, it's seemed more and more like people wanted us to accept bitcoin more as a political statement then anything else. That is not our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread Robert Rohde
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 2:37 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Has there been any discussion about simply accepting Bitcoins but not exchanging them? snip I don't have a strong opinion on whether WMF should or should not accept Bitcoin donations. However, even if we were to accept them,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread David Levy
MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: It's funny, I just had a look at the wikimedia-l archive around January 2012... you know, that time when Wikipedia literally shut itself down as a political statement. The following month, the Wikimedia Foundation established a Community Advocacy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread David Cuenca
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 2:37 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Has there been any discussion about simply accepting Bitcoins but not exchanging them? snip I don't have a strong opinion on whether WMF should or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 10:10 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: In my opinon this whole bitcoin debate is framed incorrectly. The question is not if it should be accepted or not, but which parameters make any currency or payment method acceptable. If I had to name a few, I would say:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread Jake Orlowitz
I can think of a few reasons why we should accept bitcoin: * It's consistent with our leadership in internet technology * Our peers like EFF, and Internet archive accept it * It's secured using the same kinds of encryption we rely on to maintain user privacy * It permits donations from countries

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread James Alexander
On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 7:10 AM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: It's funny, I just had a look at the wikimedia-l archive around January 2012... you know, that time when Wikipedia literally shut itself down as a political statement. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread James Salsman
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-11 Thread Tim Starling
On 12/12/13 02:54, Nathan wrote: Bitcoin isn't native currency for anyone, and anyone who wishes to make a Bitcoin donation could certainly do so using a more standard currency. Well, this article from a year ago argues that bitcoin is safer for donors than donating national currency:

[Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-10 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Hi! I'm sure that the WMF fundraising people are all aware of this, but this isn't exactly a well-known issue, so please excuse this short introduction. For a few months now, there has been quite a strong push from the Bitcoin community to accept that currency as a donation method; the issue

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-10 Thread Nathan
I'm a little skeptical about the charitable nature of Bitpay's offer to hold funds for the WMF. It doesn't help that they refer to Wikipedia's bank accounts, but in the absence of other evidence I suspect that Bitpay is taking advantage of the volatility of Bitcoin exchange rates to profit from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-10 Thread Matthew Walker
That assumes that [Bitpay] are, in fact, forwarding donations at all. We have received some funds from them. ~Matt Walker Wikimedia Foundation Fundraising Technology Team ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-10 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Matthew Walker mwal...@wikimedia.orgwrote: That assumes that [Bitpay] are, in fact, forwarding donations at all. We have received some funds from them. ~Matt Walker Wikimedia Foundation Fundraising Technology Team Thanks Matt. I'm still concerned that they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-10 Thread MZMcBride
Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: Can you let us know the reasons behind the decision of not accepting Bitcoin other than those mentioned on the FAQ page I linked? Has there been any discussion about simply accepting Bitcoins but not exchanging them? Off-hand, I can't see any potential harm if the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's accept Bitcoin as a donation method

2013-12-10 Thread Tim Starling
On 11/12/13 06:58, Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: I'm sure those reading this list can Google the topic themselves, so I won't link to the many angry discussion that are taking place on the interwebs right now; I tried Googling, including news and blog searches, and couldn't work out what you are