Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements coming to Vector

2020-08-25 Thread Aron Manning
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 22:36, Strainu  wrote:

> 1. Why bundle the changes? The collapsible toolbar could be a useful
> feature in itself, even for those who are firmly against the
> narrow-down content area. It could also be the basis for more radical
> changes, such as a "no distraction mode".
>

Do you mean these should be individual opt-in options, so every editor can
customize their preferred version?
I like that idea, I think it would make community acceptance much easier.
However, for readers (unregistered users) the developer team has
difficulties enabling to customize their experience, so the majority of the
users (readers) would probably see a default version, bringing us back to
the question: what that default should be.

2. Why change Vector rather than creating a new skin or starting from
> a 3-column skin such as Timeless? I assume it has more to do with
> community dynamics than technical reasons...
>

I've had the same two questions before the project started (Build upon
Timeless

).
The technical reason would be that Timeless isn't targeting old browsers
that's supported by the WMF and accessibility is not a primary concern.
Both of these could be rectified easily, however.
The actual reason seems to be that Timeless was never considered, as that
is a "volunteer" skin, not an official one. This strict distinction between
official and volunteer solutions is a cultural constraint that makes it
impossible to fully realize the developer community's potential IMHO.

The reason to not create a new skin is not documented. The few comments
suggest the developers felt this will be easier to manage and to keep the
common parts in sync. Initially that was true, but by now Vector became two
skins in one, a significant part of the code being duplicated. Furthermore,
this complicates the task of gadget and user style creators, which was not
taken into consideration. In any case, either making a new skin or making
two skins in one has their own, different difficulties that would be close
in a comparison, but in the long run it would be cleaner to have them
separately.

On Mon, 24 Aug 2020 at 14:00, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Indeed! The FINAL stage of the changes is deeply conservative and not a
> change at all. It's a small lifting, but not a real change. We are now 10
> years old, and with the new changes we will be 8 years old in a year,
> instead of being 11 years old.
>

I'd say the final stage will be 5 years old, other than that our estimates
are quite close :-D
Still, it's a very much needed facelift and the design is a good balance
IMHO.


Aron (Demian)
http://demian-demo.epizy.com/wiki/Desktop_Improvements_volunteer_demo  -
most of the project implemented
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements coming to Vector

2020-08-25 Thread Strainu
Hey all,

I've asked some technicalities in the feedback page (and will continue
to do so as I test the new look more) but I was wondering about two
things that deserve to be discussed in a larger forum:
1. Why bundle the changes? The collapsible toolbar could be a useful
feature in itself, even for those who are firmly against the
narrow-down content area. It could also be the basis for more radical
changes, such as a "no distraction mode".
2. Why change Vector rather than creating a new skin or starting from
a 3-column skin such as Timeless? I assume it has more to do with
community dynamics than technical reasons...

Thanks,
   Strainu

În mar., 25 aug. 2020 la 20:06, effe iets anders
 a scris:
>
> I don't think the approach "we are going to see resistance anyway, so lets
> make it a bigger change" has proven to be terribly helpful in the past year
> or so.
>
> These layout changes are hard for sure, but there are definitely ways to
> bring people on board. The thing is, not every exciting change is
> necessarily going to help everyone to the same extent, and it's hard to
> convince a really diverse community. But there are a few tricks that we
> should definitely keep using, that are nothing new to the developing
> community: don't surprise (iterate and be public), try it out in a willing
> community (check) and try to remain backward compatible (how long have we
> supported the monobook skin now?).
>
> I actually feel that a constant change is more helpful, because it gives
> less of a 'now we have to fight to keep our ways' - it allows people to see
> that they will like some changes, and dislike some others, but on a
> balance, it'll improve for everyone. It's probably more time consuming
> because it requires more consultation too, but I think it's worth it.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 5:00 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
> galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Indeed! The FINAL stage of the changes is deeply conservative and not a
> > change at all. It's a small lifting, but not a real change. We are now 10
> > years old, and with the new changes we will be 8 years old in a year,
> > instead of being 11 years old.
> > 
> > From: Olga Vasileva 
> > Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:53 PM
> > To: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
> > Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop
> > Improvements coming to Vector
> >
> > Hi Vira, Ala'a, and Galder,
> >
> > Thanks for your feedback - we’re really glad you’re enjoying the changes
> > we’ve made so far.  I wanted to point out that this is not all! The
> > deployed changes are a part of a larger series of improvements that we will
> > be rolling out progressively over the next 1+ years. To see a list of the
> > other features we are planning on working on, please check out our project
> > page[1]. In addition, we believe that even after the project is complete,
> > there will still be work to do. We’d like to view this project as a new
> > baseline on which we can build new functionality that can improve both
> > reading and editing in the future.
> >
> > Thanks again!
> >
> > - Olga
> >
> > [1]
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 8:06 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
> > galder...@hotmail.com<mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> > Thanks for bringing this topic!
> > At euwiki it has been some weeks we have experienced the new vector style,
> > and it has some great things: you can be sure about how width images will
> > take for any reader, you can create better galleries or even decide where
> > to insert an image to avoid sandwiching.
> >
> > BUT...
> >
> > I think that the changes (even when finishing) will be too short on what
> > we need (a real face change!) but it will annoy in the same amount to those
> > who don't want any change at all. So, we are losing an opportunity to go on
> > with big changes.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Galder
> > ____
> > From: Wikimedia-l  > wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org>> on behalf of Ala'a Najjar <
> > ala201...@hotmail.com<mailto:ala201...@hotmail.com>>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:06 PM
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List  > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
> > Cc: ovasil...@wikimedia.org<mailto:ovasil...@wikimedia.org> <
> > ovasil...@wikimedia.org<mailto:ovasil...@wikimedia.org>>
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's dis

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements coming to Vector

2020-08-25 Thread effe iets anders
I don't think the approach "we are going to see resistance anyway, so lets
make it a bigger change" has proven to be terribly helpful in the past year
or so.

These layout changes are hard for sure, but there are definitely ways to
bring people on board. The thing is, not every exciting change is
necessarily going to help everyone to the same extent, and it's hard to
convince a really diverse community. But there are a few tricks that we
should definitely keep using, that are nothing new to the developing
community: don't surprise (iterate and be public), try it out in a willing
community (check) and try to remain backward compatible (how long have we
supported the monobook skin now?).

I actually feel that a constant change is more helpful, because it gives
less of a 'now we have to fight to keep our ways' - it allows people to see
that they will like some changes, and dislike some others, but on a
balance, it'll improve for everyone. It's probably more time consuming
because it requires more consultation too, but I think it's worth it.

Lodewijk

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 5:00 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Indeed! The FINAL stage of the changes is deeply conservative and not a
> change at all. It's a small lifting, but not a real change. We are now 10
> years old, and with the new changes we will be 8 years old in a year,
> instead of being 11 years old.
> 
> From: Olga Vasileva 
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:53 PM
> To: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
> Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop
> Improvements coming to Vector
>
> Hi Vira, Ala'a, and Galder,
>
> Thanks for your feedback - we’re really glad you’re enjoying the changes
> we’ve made so far.  I wanted to point out that this is not all! The
> deployed changes are a part of a larger series of improvements that we will
> be rolling out progressively over the next 1+ years. To see a list of the
> other features we are planning on working on, please check out our project
> page[1]. In addition, we believe that even after the project is complete,
> there will still be work to do. We’d like to view this project as a new
> baseline on which we can build new functionality that can improve both
> reading and editing in the future.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> - Olga
>
> [1]
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 8:06 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
> galder...@hotmail.com<mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> Thanks for bringing this topic!
> At euwiki it has been some weeks we have experienced the new vector style,
> and it has some great things: you can be sure about how width images will
> take for any reader, you can create better galleries or even decide where
> to insert an image to avoid sandwiching.
>
> BUT...
>
> I think that the changes (even when finishing) will be too short on what
> we need (a real face change!) but it will annoy in the same amount to those
> who don't want any change at all. So, we are losing an opportunity to go on
> with big changes.
>
> Best
>
> Galder
> 
> From: Wikimedia-l  wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org>> on behalf of Ala'a Najjar <
> ala201...@hotmail.com<mailto:ala201...@hotmail.com>>
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:06 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List  wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
> Cc: ovasil...@wikimedia.org<mailto:ovasil...@wikimedia.org> <
> ovasil...@wikimedia.org<mailto:ovasil...@wikimedia.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop
> Improvements coming to Vector
>
> Thanks for bring our attention to this Desktop Improvements.
> I opened section about this on Arabic Wikipedia village pump
> https://w.wiki/a9S, so users can try it, and maybe there feedback can
> help Readers Web team.
>
> Best,
> Alaa
> https://w.wiki/JNQ
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l  wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org>> On Behalf Of Vira Motorko
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 1:01 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List‏  wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop
> Improvements coming to Vector
>
> Hi all,
>
> I don't see any messages about the Desktop Improvements to wikimedia-l, so
> I've decided to forward one from wikitech-l.
>
> If I understand correctly, Desktop Improvements are changes to the desktop
> version of the Vector skin, which are to be built throughout the next year,
> features being added one by one. Several wikis already enjoy them by
> default, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements coming to Vector

2020-08-24 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Indeed! The FINAL stage of the changes is deeply conservative and not a change 
at all. It's a small lifting, but not a real change. We are now 10 years old, 
and with the new changes we will be 8 years old in a year, instead of being 11 
years old.

From: Olga Vasileva 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2020 1:53 PM
To: Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
Cc: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements 
coming to Vector

Hi Vira, Ala'a, and Galder,

Thanks for your feedback - we’re really glad you’re enjoying the changes we’ve 
made so far.  I wanted to point out that this is not all! The deployed changes 
are a part of a larger series of improvements that we will be rolling out 
progressively over the next 1+ years. To see a list of the other features we 
are planning on working on, please check out our project page[1]. In addition, 
we believe that even after the project is complete, there will still be work to 
do. We’d like to view this project as a new baseline on which we can build new 
functionality that can improve both reading and editing in the future.

Thanks again!

- Olga

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 8:06 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga 
mailto:galder...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Thanks for bringing this topic!
At euwiki it has been some weeks we have experienced the new vector style, and 
it has some great things: you can be sure about how width images will take for 
any reader, you can create better galleries or even decide where to insert an 
image to avoid sandwiching.

BUT...

I think that the changes (even when finishing) will be too short on what we 
need (a real face change!) but it will annoy in the same amount to those who 
don't want any change at all. So, we are losing an opportunity to go on with 
big changes.

Best

Galder

From: Wikimedia-l 
mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org>>
 on behalf of Ala'a Najjar mailto:ala201...@hotmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:06 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
Cc: ovasil...@wikimedia.org<mailto:ovasil...@wikimedia.org> 
mailto:ovasil...@wikimedia.org>>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements 
coming to Vector

Thanks for bring our attention to this Desktop Improvements.
I opened section about this on Arabic Wikipedia village pump 
https://w.wiki/a9S, so users can try it, and maybe there feedback can help 
Readers Web team.

Best,
Alaa
https://w.wiki/JNQ

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l 
mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org>>
 On Behalf Of Vira Motorko
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 1:01 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List‏ 
mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements 
coming to Vector

Hi all,

I don't see any messages about the Desktop Improvements to wikimedia-l, so I've 
decided to forward one from wikitech-l.

If I understand correctly, Desktop Improvements are changes to the desktop 
version of the Vector skin, which are to be built throughout the next year, 
features being added one by one. Several wikis already enjoy them by default, 
and users of other wikis can find a respective tick in their preferences to 
make new Vector visible.

Current features are said to not be permanent anyway but wouldn't it be good 
for more people to see them while they are still work in progress?

See email text and links below.
*--*
*Vira Motorko // Віра Моторко*
mobile: +380667740499 | facebook: vira.motorko 
<https://www.facebook.com/vira.motorko> | wikipedia: Ата 
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ата>

-- Forwarded message -
Від: Olga Vasileva mailto:ovasil...@wikimedia.org>>
Date: ср, 5 серп. 2020 о 15:33
Subject: [Wikitech-l] First desktop improvements features now available on 
early adopter wikis


Hi all,

We’re happy to announce that the first two of many changes focused on improving 
the desktop experience of the Vector skin [1] have been released as a user 
preference to all projects and as default on a set of early adopter wikis: 
Basque, Farsi, French, and Hebrew Wikipedias, French Wiktionary, and Portuguese 
Wikiversity.

Since its introduction in 2009, the Vector skin has changed little, while the 
needs of our readers and editors have shifted significantly, as have their 
expectations for a quality reading experience that focuses on the content 
itself. Over the next year, the readers web team [2] will be researching and 
building out improvements to the desktop experience based on research and 
existing tools built by our communities.

Our goal is to create a more welcoming reading and editing experience - 
something that feels familiar yet makes it easier and quicker to read, edit, 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements coming to Vector

2020-08-24 Thread Olga Vasileva
Hi Vira, Ala'a, and Galder,

Thanks for your feedback - we’re really glad you’re enjoying the changes
we’ve made so far.  I wanted to point out that this is not all! The
deployed changes are a part of a larger series of improvements that we will
be rolling out progressively over the next 1+ years. To see a list of the
other features we are planning on working on, please check out our project
page[1]. In addition, we believe that even after the project is complete,
there will still be work to do. We’d like to view this project as a new
baseline on which we can build new functionality that can improve both
reading and editing in the future.

Thanks again!

- Olga

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements/Features

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 8:06 PM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for bringing this topic!
> At euwiki it has been some weeks we have experienced the new vector style,
> and it has some great things: you can be sure about how width images will
> take for any reader, you can create better galleries or even decide where
> to insert an image to avoid sandwiching.
>
> BUT...
>
> I think that the changes (even when finishing) will be too short on what
> we need (a real face change!) but it will annoy in the same amount to those
> who don't want any change at all. So, we are losing an opportunity to go on
> with big changes.
>
> Best
>
> Galder
> --
> *From:* Wikimedia-l  on behalf
> of Ala'a Najjar 
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:06 PM
> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
> *Cc:* ovasil...@wikimedia.org 
> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop
> Improvements coming to Vector
>
> Thanks for bring our attention to this Desktop Improvements.
> I opened section about this on Arabic Wikipedia village pump
> https://w.wiki/a9S, so users can try it, and maybe there feedback can
> help Readers Web team.
>
> Best,
> Alaa
> https://w.wiki/JNQ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l  On Behalf Of
> Vira Motorko
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 1:01 PM
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List‏ 
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop
> Improvements coming to Vector
>
> Hi all,
>
> I don't see any messages about the Desktop Improvements to wikimedia-l, so
> I've decided to forward one from wikitech-l.
>
> If I understand correctly, Desktop Improvements are changes to the desktop
> version of the Vector skin, which are to be built throughout the next year,
> features being added one by one. Several wikis already enjoy them by
> default, and users of other wikis can find a respective tick in their
> preferences to make new Vector visible.
>
> Current features are said to not be permanent anyway but wouldn't it be
> good for more people to see them while they are still work in progress?
>
> See email text and links below.
> *--*
> *Vira Motorko // Віра Моторко*
> mobile: +380667740499 | facebook: vira.motorko <
> https://www.facebook.com/vira.motorko> | wikipedia: Ата <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ата>
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> Від: Olga Vasileva 
> Date: ср, 5 серп. 2020 о 15:33
> Subject: [Wikitech-l] First desktop improvements features now available on
> early adopter wikis
> 
>
> Hi all,
>
> We’re happy to announce that the first two of many changes focused on
> improving the desktop experience of the Vector skin [1] have been released
> as a user preference to all projects and as default on a set of early
> adopter wikis: Basque, Farsi, French, and Hebrew Wikipedias, French
> Wiktionary, and Portuguese Wikiversity.
>
> Since its introduction in 2009, the Vector skin has changed little, while
> the needs of our readers and editors have shifted significantly, as have
> their expectations for a quality reading experience that focuses on the
> content itself. Over the next year, the readers web team [2] will be
> researching and building out improvements to the desktop experience based
> on research and existing tools built by our communities.
>
> Our goal is to create a more welcoming reading and editing experience -
> something that feels familiar yet makes it easier and quicker to read,
> edit, and perform common functionality.
>
> Our first change, a collapsible sidebar, allows users to collapse the
> lengthy menu on the left side of the page. We believe this change improves
> usability by allowing people to focus on the content itself - on reading,
> editing, or moderating.
>
> Our second change introduces a maximum line width to our content on pages
> such as article pages and discussion pages. Studies ha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements coming to Vector

2020-08-23 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks for bringing this topic!
At euwiki it has been some weeks we have experienced the new vector style, and 
it has some great things: you can be sure about how width images will take for 
any reader, you can create better galleries or even decide where to insert an 
image to avoid sandwiching.

BUT...

I think that the changes (even when finishing) will be too short on what we 
need (a real face change!) but it will annoy in the same amount to those who 
don't want any change at all. So, we are losing an opportunity to go on with 
big changes.

Best

Galder

From: Wikimedia-l  on behalf of Ala'a 
Najjar 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:06 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Cc: ovasil...@wikimedia.org 
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements 
coming to Vector

Thanks for bring our attention to this Desktop Improvements.
I opened section about this on Arabic Wikipedia village pump 
https://w.wiki/a9S, so users can try it, and maybe there feedback can help 
Readers Web team.

Best,
Alaa
https://w.wiki/JNQ

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l  On Behalf Of Vira 
Motorko
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 1:01 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List‏ 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements 
coming to Vector

Hi all,

I don't see any messages about the Desktop Improvements to wikimedia-l, so I've 
decided to forward one from wikitech-l.

If I understand correctly, Desktop Improvements are changes to the desktop 
version of the Vector skin, which are to be built throughout the next year, 
features being added one by one. Several wikis already enjoy them by default, 
and users of other wikis can find a respective tick in their preferences to 
make new Vector visible.

Current features are said to not be permanent anyway but wouldn't it be good 
for more people to see them while they are still work in progress?

See email text and links below.
*--*
*Vira Motorko // Віра Моторко*
mobile: +380667740499 | facebook: vira.motorko 
<https://www.facebook.com/vira.motorko> | wikipedia: Ата 
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ата>

-- Forwarded message -
Від: Olga Vasileva 
Date: ср, 5 серп. 2020 о 15:33
Subject: [Wikitech-l] First desktop improvements features now available on 
early adopter wikis


Hi all,

We’re happy to announce that the first two of many changes focused on improving 
the desktop experience of the Vector skin [1] have been released as a user 
preference to all projects and as default on a set of early adopter wikis: 
Basque, Farsi, French, and Hebrew Wikipedias, French Wiktionary, and Portuguese 
Wikiversity.

Since its introduction in 2009, the Vector skin has changed little, while the 
needs of our readers and editors have shifted significantly, as have their 
expectations for a quality reading experience that focuses on the content 
itself. Over the next year, the readers web team [2] will be researching and 
building out improvements to the desktop experience based on research and 
existing tools built by our communities.

Our goal is to create a more welcoming reading and editing experience - 
something that feels familiar yet makes it easier and quicker to read, edit, 
and perform common functionality.

Our first change, a collapsible sidebar, allows users to collapse the lengthy 
menu on the left side of the page. We believe this change improves usability by 
allowing people to focus on the content itself - on reading, editing, or 
moderating.

Our second change introduces a maximum line width to our content on pages such 
as article pages and discussion pages. Studies have shown that limiting the 
width can lead to better retention of content, as well as a decrease in eye 
strain

You can opt into these features by unchecking “legacy vector” from the 
appearance tab of your user preferences.

We’d also like to note that these are the first of a series of changes and, as 
such, their visual characteristics are not permanent. Also - there might be 
bugs. If you notice an issue or would like to learn more about the project 
itself - please head to our project page [3].

Thank you!

Olga

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Vector
[2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Readers/Web/Team
[3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements coming to Vector

2020-08-22 Thread Ala'a Najjar
Thanks for bring our attention to this Desktop Improvements.
I opened section about this on Arabic Wikipedia village pump 
https://w.wiki/a9S, so users can try it, and maybe there feedback can help 
Readers Web team.

Best,
Alaa
https://w.wiki/JNQ 

-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l  On Behalf Of Vira 
Motorko
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 1:01 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List‏ 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements 
coming to Vector

Hi all,

I don't see any messages about the Desktop Improvements to wikimedia-l, so I've 
decided to forward one from wikitech-l.

If I understand correctly, Desktop Improvements are changes to the desktop 
version of the Vector skin, which are to be built throughout the next year, 
features being added one by one. Several wikis already enjoy them by default, 
and users of other wikis can find a respective tick in their preferences to 
make new Vector visible.

Current features are said to not be permanent anyway but wouldn't it be good 
for more people to see them while they are still work in progress?

See email text and links below.
*--*
*Vira Motorko // Віра Моторко*
mobile: +380667740499 | facebook: vira.motorko 
<https://www.facebook.com/vira.motorko> | wikipedia: Ата 
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ата>

-- Forwarded message -
Від: Olga Vasileva 
Date: ср, 5 серп. 2020 о 15:33
Subject: [Wikitech-l] First desktop improvements features now available on 
early adopter wikis


Hi all,

We’re happy to announce that the first two of many changes focused on improving 
the desktop experience of the Vector skin [1] have been released as a user 
preference to all projects and as default on a set of early adopter wikis: 
Basque, Farsi, French, and Hebrew Wikipedias, French Wiktionary, and Portuguese 
Wikiversity.

Since its introduction in 2009, the Vector skin has changed little, while the 
needs of our readers and editors have shifted significantly, as have their 
expectations for a quality reading experience that focuses on the content 
itself. Over the next year, the readers web team [2] will be researching and 
building out improvements to the desktop experience based on research and 
existing tools built by our communities.

Our goal is to create a more welcoming reading and editing experience - 
something that feels familiar yet makes it easier and quicker to read, edit, 
and perform common functionality.

Our first change, a collapsible sidebar, allows users to collapse the lengthy 
menu on the left side of the page. We believe this change improves usability by 
allowing people to focus on the content itself - on reading, editing, or 
moderating.

Our second change introduces a maximum line width to our content on pages such 
as article pages and discussion pages. Studies have shown that limiting the 
width can lead to better retention of content, as well as a decrease in eye 
strain

You can opt into these features by unchecking “legacy vector” from the 
appearance tab of your user preferences.

We’d also like to note that these are the first of a series of changes and, as 
such, their visual characteristics are not permanent. Also - there might be 
bugs. If you notice an issue or would like to learn more about the project 
itself - please head to our project page [3].

Thank you!

Olga

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Vector
[2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Readers/Web/Team
[3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements
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[Wikimedia-l] Let's discuss first features of Desktop Improvements coming to Vector

2020-08-22 Thread Vira Motorko
Hi all,

I don't see any messages about the Desktop Improvements to wikimedia-l, so
I've decided to forward one from wikitech-l.

If I understand correctly, Desktop Improvements are changes to the desktop
version of the Vector skin, which are to be built throughout the next year,
features being added one by one. Several wikis already enjoy them by
default, and users of other wikis can find a respective tick in their
preferences to make new Vector visible.

Current features are said to not be permanent anyway but wouldn't it be
good for more people to see them while they are still work in progress?

See email text and links below.
*--*
*Vira Motorko // Віра Моторко*
mobile: +380667740499 | facebook: vira.motorko
 | wikipedia: Ата


-- Forwarded message -
Від: Olga Vasileva 
Date: ср, 5 серп. 2020 о 15:33
Subject: [Wikitech-l] First desktop improvements features now available on
early adopter wikis


Hi all,

We’re happy to announce that the first two of many changes focused on
improving the desktop experience of the Vector skin [1] have been released
as a user preference to all projects and as default on a set of early
adopter wikis: Basque, Farsi, French, and Hebrew Wikipedias, French
Wiktionary, and Portuguese Wikiversity.

Since its introduction in 2009, the Vector skin has changed little, while
the needs of our readers and editors have shifted significantly, as have
their expectations for a quality reading experience that focuses on the
content itself. Over the next year, the readers web team [2] will be
researching and building out improvements to the desktop experience based
on research and existing tools built by our communities.

Our goal is to create a more welcoming reading and editing experience -
something that feels familiar yet makes it easier and quicker to read,
edit, and perform common functionality.

Our first change, a collapsible sidebar, allows users to collapse the
lengthy menu on the left side of the page. We believe this change improves
usability by allowing people to focus on the content itself - on reading,
editing, or moderating.

Our second change introduces a maximum line width to our content on pages
such as article pages and discussion pages. Studies have shown that
limiting the width can lead to better retention of content, as well as a
decrease in eye strain

You can opt into these features by unchecking “legacy vector” from the
appearance tab of your user preferences.

We’d also like to note that these are the first of a series of changes and,
as such, their visual characteristics are not permanent. Also - there might
be bugs. If you notice an issue or would like to learn more about the
project itself - please head to our project page [3].

Thank you!

Olga

[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Vector
[2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Readers/Web/Team
[3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Web/Desktop_Improvements
-- 
*Olga Vasileva* // Senior Product Manager // Web
https://wikimediafoundation.org/


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