Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's report and learn from non-successes (more often)

2013-07-05 Thread Jon Davies
I am an audience! Thanks and it really makes some broader points.  We often
start from finding people who have a passion about a subject but don;t edit
yet. That at least solves the 'blank sheet of paper' fear. Liked the
discussion though.

On 4 July 2013 08:34, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks.
 The problem of the blog post is IMHO that it's unclear what audience it's
 directed to. The learnings and suggestions *might* be useful for some
 en.wiki WikiProjects, but en.wiki is obviously the least suitable wiki for
 such experiments. There are no learnings for other projects and I see no
 answer e.g. to questions I had for a similar fr.wiki banner a few weeks
 later. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Meta%**
 3ARequests_for_help_from_a_**sysop_or_bureaucratdiff=**
 5337142oldid=5337118https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta%3ARequests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucratdiff=5337142oldid=5337118
 
 It will be for next time then. :)

 Nemo

 P.s.: It's not particularly surprising, I see that I had already predicted
 this failure. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Talk:**
 CentralNotice/Calendaroldid=**5337147#Philippines_**
 recruitment_for_two_weekshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:CentralNotice/Calendaroldid=5337147#Philippines_recruitment_for_two_weeks
 


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's report and learn from non-successes (more often)

2013-07-05 Thread Asaf Bartov
Hi, Nemo.

Certainly, this was an ENWP experiment, and it's not unreasonable that
there would be no learnings for other projects.  The post's audience was
absolutely anyone in the movement who may care; after all, anyone can
replicate this experiment or something like it, in other countries, other
languages, etc.  We used community tools and no magic.  I'm not sure what
question you consider unanswered on that link.

   A.


On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote:

 Thanks.
 The problem of the blog post is IMHO that it's unclear what audience it's
 directed to. The learnings and suggestions *might* be useful for some
 en.wiki WikiProjects, but en.wiki is obviously the least suitable wiki for
 such experiments. There are no learnings for other projects and I see no
 answer e.g. to questions I had for a similar fr.wiki banner a few weeks
 later. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Meta%**
 3ARequests_for_help_from_a_**sysop_or_bureaucratdiff=**
 5337142oldid=5337118https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Meta%3ARequests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucratdiff=5337142oldid=5337118
 
 It will be for next time then. :)

 Nemo

 P.s.: It's not particularly surprising, I see that I had already predicted
 this failure. https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Talk:**
 CentralNotice/Calendaroldid=**5337147#Philippines_**
 recruitment_for_two_weekshttps://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:CentralNotice/Calendaroldid=5337147#Philippines_recruitment_for_two_weeks
 




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[Wikimedia-l] Let's report and learn from non-successes (more often)

2013-07-03 Thread Asaf Bartov
Dear colleagues,

I wanted to remind us all of the importance of learning from when our plans
and efforts don't succeed, whether due to mistakes or just an experimental
hypothesis turning out to not be the case.

We at the Wikimedia Foundation have had such an experiment a few months
ago, and an idea we thought had potential turned out to have none of the
hoped-for impact.  We wrote it up and drew some (I think) interesting
learning points from it, including possibly next steps for those who may
want to experiment along similar lines.

The learning is featured in a Wikimedia Blog post here:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/07/02/english-wikipedia-editor-pilot-philippines/

which also links to the full report on Meta.  I am also pleased at the
discussion the blog post has already generated.

Cheers,

   Asaf

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's report and learn from non-successes (more often)

2013-07-03 Thread Maryana Pinchuk
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Dear colleagues,

 I wanted to remind us all of the importance of learning from when our plans
 and efforts don't succeed, whether due to mistakes or just an experimental
 hypothesis turning out to not be the case.

 We at the Wikimedia Foundation have had such an experiment a few months
 ago, and an idea we thought had potential turned out to have none of the
 hoped-for impact.  We wrote it up and drew some (I think) interesting
 learning points from it, including possibly next steps for those who may
 want to experiment along similar lines.

 The learning is featured in a Wikimedia Blog post here:

 http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/07/02/english-wikipedia-editor-pilot-philippines/

 which also links to the full report on Meta.  I am also pleased at the
 discussion the blog post has already generated.
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Yes! Big plus-one! Though I would refer to it as confirming the null
hypothesis[1] rather than non-success :)

Publication bias[2] and systematic underreporting of non-significant
effects are huge problems in all scholarly fields, so it's not like we're
unusual in this respect. But we miss out on really great opportunities to
advance our institutional learning when we bury our non-successes.. err..
null hypothesis confirmations! Keep em' coming, folks.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_hypothesis
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publication_bias

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