Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-27 Thread geni
On 26 January 2016 at 19:07, Arnnon Geshuri wrote: > Regarding the concerns that have been raised, I have listened closely. > That said, in my opinion, there are some misconceptions and there are > mitigating considerations. As a general matter, I will say that, >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-27 Thread Emmanuel Engelhart
On 26.01.2016 21:54, Fæ wrote: > Press coverage like the BBC's this evening which leads with Jimmy > Wales' face, have damaged the WMF's reputation and our projects that > rely on "Wikimedia" remaining a trusted name.[1][2] Published today on numerama.com, top digital news web site (2 millions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-27 Thread Austin Hair
Even if it is a bit long-winded, I could not agree more. Thank you, Mike. Austin On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Michael Snow wrote: > Hello Arnnon, > > It is good to hear something directly from you. I am sure your intentions > in the position you were appointed to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-27 Thread Steinsplitter Wiki
: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community On 26.01.2016 21:54, Fæ wrote: > Press coverage like the BBC's this evening which leads with Jimmy > Wales' face, have damaged the WMF's reputation and our projects that > rely on "Wikimedia" remaining a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-27 Thread Kat Walsh
I was considering whether to comment again on this thread, but with this message I do not have to; I think it lays everything out sensitively and thoughtfully, and I agree with everything in it. -Kat On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Michael Snow wrote: > Hello Arnnon,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-27 Thread Ben Creasy
Arnnon Geshuri writes: > Hi Arnnon - nicely worded message! I can't imagine that you're feeling too great right now, but I want to give you a little hope. Wikipedia can be a forgiving place - many have been blocked and banned only to return later for second or third chances.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-27 Thread billinghurst
I appreciate that you have responded to the community outcry, though I fear that the flowery rhetoric was not only lost on me, it also seems to be obfusacting on the serious matters raised. The substantial matters themselves rated a direct mention or a skerrick of acknowledgement. I believe that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-27 Thread Steinsplitter Wiki
I want + Fae's recent post which is attached below. > From: fae...@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:54:03 + > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia > Community > > On 26 January 2016 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-27 Thread Ziko van Dijk
I cannot word it better than Michael Snow, so I won't try. Kind regards Ziko 2016-01-27 8:39 GMT+01:00 Michael Snow : > Hello Arnnon, > > It is good to hear something directly from you. I am sure your intentions in > the position you were appointed to are positive and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-27 Thread Kevin Gorman
Hi Ben, Arnnon - There will be at least two bay area editathons in March, which I'll announce when I finalize the details of. At least one of them is going to be at least partially closed due to the nature of the host, but one should be fully open... and Arnnon, you are invited to both of them.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-27 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Fæ wrote: > P.S. How is that nobody can work out who nominated/invited Geshuri for > the trustee position? There can be little doubt that they knew of his > chequered past when they did so. > According to the minutes for the November board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-27 Thread Anders Wennersten
I agree that the Board need to be strengthened in competence related to cultural and personnel issues. I am also of the opinion that much of the discussion related to this issue is made in too harsh tone, and I am not fond of having an Rfc on the issue, intelligent dialogue is preferred to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-26 Thread Ricordisamoa
Although it can be argued whether Arnnon's reassurance will be enough to let him stay safely on Board for two whole years, there's little doubt that public debate will finally benefit from knowing his viewpoint. Il 26/01/2016 20:07, Arnnon Geshuri ha scritto: It has been almost three weeks

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-26 Thread Michael Snow
Hello Arnnon, It is good to hear something directly from you. I am sure your intentions in the position you were appointed to are positive and supportive. Yet while you may be entirely sincere in your desire to help, I find it extremely difficult to see a path forward in which your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-26 Thread Peter Southwood
January 2016 9:08 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community It has been almost three weeks since my appointment to the Wikimedia Foundation Board and I have read the feedback and comments from representative members of the community

[Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-26 Thread Arnnon Geshuri
It has been almost three weeks since my appointment to the Wikimedia Foundation Board and I have read the feedback and comments from representative members of the community. My first reaction was how amazing the community is in its vibrant culture – there is direct and honest dialog, celebration

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-26 Thread Todd Allen
Hello Arnnon, I'm glad you've decided to join the discussion. (And do appreciate it; I'm sure by now you know exactly what you're walking into.) I don't, however, see that your statement says much. The heart of the issue is that you assisted in implementing and enforcing a "no poaching"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-26 Thread
On 26 January 2016 at 19:07, Arnnon Geshuri wrote: ... > Regarding the concerns that have been raised, I have listened closely. > That said, in my opinion, there are some misconceptions and there are > mitigating considerations. There are black and white facts which make

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-26 Thread Nathan
It's unfair of anyone to expect Arnnon to comment about the legal case or the circumstances surrounding it. I'm sure he has a stack of legal advice and corporate policies that specifically prevent him from answering Todd's questions or others. Even though I don't support the corporate collusion

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-26 Thread Lilburne
On 26/01/2016 20:27, Pine W wrote: While I realize that staying on may be your personal preference, I believe that for the good of WMF and for our collective movement, you should resign. A quote from history would have been more succinct: http://quotationsbook.com/quote/29200/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-26 Thread Michael Peel
RIP AGF. (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Assume_good_faith needs work!) Mike > On 26 Jan 2016, at 21:11, Lilburne wrote: > > On 26/01/2016 20:27, Pine W wrote: >> >> While I realize that staying on may be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-26 Thread Kevin Gorman
Arnnon - This is about the first piece of polished communication put out by the board regarding either recent incident - and given your professional background, it doesn't really surprise me that you are the first person involved to put out a polished communication. I have no doubt that your

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-26 Thread Kevin Gorman
Mike, the assumption of good faith goes right out the window as soon as the company you work for has agreed to pay the Department of Justice nine figures due in significant part to your actions, and your private emails showing your intent have been released by a federal judge. AGF is a rebuttable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-26 Thread Sydney Poore
Hello Arnnon, What you describe as an *inspirational* experience, I see as an extremely painful event to watch as it damages the Wikimedia Foundation and the wikimedia movement. Please keep in mind that you and the Board are not the only people who are living through this situation. I doubt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-26 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
Hi Arnnon, Did you provide information regarding your involvement in the antitrust litigation to someone during the WMF selection process? If not, why not? -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Message from Arnnon Geshuri to the Wikimedia Community

2016-01-26 Thread Ruslan Takayev
Hello Arnnon, and welcome. It is great that you are working hard to earn our trust. Unfortunately, your statement, which is somewhat self-serving, totally omits the issues that a very wide cross-section of the Wikimedia community has a MAJOR issue with. So perhaps you can answer some questions: