Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-12-13 Thread Peter Southwood
, 2018 4:11 PM To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads Pageviews isn't a good metric for this, because it isn't measuring the people who load a Wikipedia page, see an obnoxious banner, and then click away without reading the content. That's still

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-12-12 Thread James Salsman
Thanks, Seddon. Why aren't the two mobile banners listed on https://frdata.wikimedia.org/campaign-vs-amount.csv -- or am I just not finding them? Also, how do you feel about measuring the extent to which you would have to run more single-line banners to match the donation volume of larger

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-12-11 Thread Joseph Seddon
Dear all, The fundraising team genuinely hears and appreciates all the feedback we've received about this mobile banner. For the past week and a half - for the majority of our mobile campaign - we have been extensively working and acting on that feedback to reduce the length of this banner,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-12-11 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Even I agree we need more donations from mobile but more aggressive banners doesn't usually lead to more donations coming. At least, if it's more aggressive than a certain threshold and I think these banners pass that threshold by far. Best On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 5:00 PM David Gerard wrote: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-12-11 Thread David Gerard
I've had people complaining to me personally about the multiple-page fundraising banners on mobile, like I can do anything about them ... this is really deeply pissing people off. On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 15:03, Joseph Seddon wrote: > > Hi James, > > As I mentioned in my original reply to Molly,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-12-11 Thread Joseph Seddon
Hi James, As I mentioned in my original reply to Molly, Desktop page views have been in decline for the past 2-3 years from 4.36 billion (Oct 2016) to 3.64 billion (Oct 2018). Likewise, the relative effectiveness as of mobile as a fundraising platform has historically been substantially lower

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-12-11 Thread AntiCompositeNumber
imedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads > > James Salsman wrote: > >For those of you who have not seen the mobile fundraising banner this > >year, and thus are uncertain of what all the fuss is about, here is an > >example: > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-12-10 Thread Peter Southwood
: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads James Salsman wrote: >For those of you who have not seen the mobile fundraising banner this >year, and thus are uncertain of what all the fuss is about, here is an >example: > >https://i.imgur.com/wL4Y5dl.png Hi. This type of advertising is noxious a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-12-10 Thread MZMcBride
James Salsman wrote: >For those of you who have not seen the mobile fundraising banner this >year, and thus are uncertain of what all the fuss is about, here is an >example: > >https://i.imgur.com/wL4Y5dl.png Hi. This type of advertising is noxious and unacceptable. It should be revised or taken

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-12-10 Thread Dan Garry (Deskana)
On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 at 11:44, vermont--- via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Entering Wikipedia while not logged in, from both a PC and mobile device, > lead to an insane amount of large, bright red banners asking for donations. > Statistics may show that this sort of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-12-09 Thread James Salsman
For those of you who have not seen the mobile fundraising banner this year, and thus are uncertain of what all the fuss is about, here is an example: https://i.imgur.com/wL4Y5dl.png The fundraising message literally takes 4.5 screens that have to be scrolled through to get to the article. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-12-06 Thread Samuel Klein
I love the focus on mobile and smaller format interfaces, quite generally; it's increasingly how I use the projects too! A) This banner-text-series is clearly impactful, gave me a bit of a jump scare, and got me to read it to find out why. I'm still not sure how I feel about it. ~ Visual effect:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-12-05 Thread vermont--- via Wikimedia-l
Message- From: Wikimedia-l On Behalf Of James Salsman Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 1:56 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads Seddon, thanks for addressing this. What are your thoughts about measuring the extent to which you would have to run

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-12-01 Thread James Salsman
Seddon, thanks for addressing this. What are your thoughts about measuring the extent to which you would have to run a minimalist banner to achieve current goals, as per https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2018-19_Fundraising_ideas#Design ? Both of the "small" banners in the set of four

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-11-30 Thread Joseph Seddon
Hey Molly, Thank you for your feedback, it is really appreciated. There are a fair few points you’ve raised so I will do my best cover them all. For some background, mobile fundraising is vitally important. Desktop page views have been in decline for the past 2-3 years from 4.36 billion (Oct

[Wikimedia-l] Mobile fundraising ads

2018-11-30 Thread GorillaWarfare
Hey all, I feel a little bad raising this because I know there was some community vetting of fundraising initiatives that I ignored, but please forgive me. I brought this up in the Wikimedia Weekly Facebook group asking where best to raise the issue, and it was suggested I post here. I was