Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monthly skill share idea

2018-10-16 Thread Mathias Damour 

Le 16/10/2018 à 09:23, Peter Southwood a écrit :

Matthias,
Since you presumably have a better suggestion, go ahead and suggest it.


I may have some suggestions, anyone can have one, provided the target is 
met.



While you are at it, look into a solution for all the air transport for even 
more frivolous objectives, also the land transport. We could do with a few good 
workable alternatives for daily commuting. I assume you do not own or use a 
private motor vehicle, they are generally less efficient than large passenger 
aircraft.


Sure, except that one typically count a trip by hours, and hours in an 
aircraft consume far more by passenger than the biggest car.
The point is not to wait for "workable alternatives" if there is no 
perfect ones, but as far as transport is concerned, to travel less 
often, less far, less quickly... or possibly for a longer time.



Also, a lot depends on where the trainers start from. Wikimedia is a worldwide 
movement, they do not all have to come from WMF headquarters, and you appear 
not to take into consideration the chain reaction effect,


You told it, we may consider that we are very closed to a chain reaction 
effect in global warming if nothing changes rapidly.



once there are people in a region with the skills, they can spread them locally 
far more efficiently, but somewhere it has to start.
Cheers,
Peter

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Le 15/10/2018 à 13:36, Peter Southwood a écrit :

I like the idea. Once you have worked out how to do it efficiently, maybe the 
WMF can send out trainers to places where the skills are thin on the ground.
Cheers,
Peter

Do you mean burning hundreds of litres of jet fuel for one or a few
workshop for an handful of people?
How irresponsible. You may didn't get the emergency of global warming
mitigation.
For the Wikimedia movement, to get organised in a way that lead to drop
the flights needed by 5 or 10 time in the next few years would be only
taking its fair share in the action.


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John Lubbock
Sent: 15 October 2018 13:14
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Monthly skill share idea

Hi all, after talking to community members at the London meetup yesterday,
I want to suggest that we start running a monthly skillshare after work at
the Wikimedia UK office. It would be good to organise a 12 month programme
with skillshares on things like 'getting an article to featured article
status', AWB, Wikidata infoboxes, something on commons or photography
perhaps.

Would anybody like to suggest other subjects which it would be good to have
a workshop on? We need a list of 12 which would have some broad appeal to
the community and chapter members.

I would suggest Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, maybe first week of the
month. How does that sound to everyone?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monthly skill share idea

2018-10-16 Thread Peter Southwood 
Matthias,
Since you presumably have a better suggestion, go ahead and suggest it.
While you are at it, look into a solution for all the air transport for even 
more frivolous objectives, also the land transport. We could do with a few good 
workable alternatives for daily commuting. I assume you do not own or use a 
private motor vehicle, they are generally less efficient than large passenger 
aircraft.
Also, a lot depends on where the trainers start from. Wikimedia is a worldwide 
movement, they do not all have to come from WMF headquarters, and you appear 
not to take into consideration the chain reaction effect, once there are people 
in a region with the skills, they can spread them locally far more efficiently, 
but somewhere it has to start.
Cheers,
Peter

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Le 15/10/2018 à 13:36, Peter Southwood a écrit :
> I like the idea. Once you have worked out how to do it efficiently, maybe the 
> WMF can send out trainers to places where the skills are thin on the ground.
> Cheers,
> Peter

Do you mean burning hundreds of litres of jet fuel for one or a few 
workshop for an handful of people?
How irresponsible. You may didn't get the emergency of global warming 
mitigation.
For the Wikimedia movement, to get organised in a way that lead to drop 
the flights needed by 5 or 10 time in the next few years would be only 
taking its fair share in the action.

> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf 
> Of John Lubbock
> Sent: 15 October 2018 13:14
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Monthly skill share idea
>
> Hi all, after talking to community members at the London meetup yesterday,
> I want to suggest that we start running a monthly skillshare after work at
> the Wikimedia UK office. It would be good to organise a 12 month programme
> with skillshares on things like 'getting an article to featured article
> status', AWB, Wikidata infoboxes, something on commons or photography
> perhaps.
>
> Would anybody like to suggest other subjects which it would be good to have
> a workshop on? We need a list of 12 which would have some broad appeal to
> the community and chapter members.
>
> I would suggest Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, maybe first week of the
> month. How does that sound to everyone?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monthly skill share idea

2018-10-15 Thread Mathias Damour 

Le 15/10/2018 à 13:36, Peter Southwood a écrit :

I like the idea. Once you have worked out how to do it efficiently, maybe the 
WMF can send out trainers to places where the skills are thin on the ground.
Cheers,
Peter


Do you mean burning hundreds of litres of jet fuel for one or a few 
workshop for an handful of people?
How irresponsible. You may didn't get the emergency of global warming 
mitigation.
For the Wikimedia movement, to get organised in a way that lead to drop 
the flights needed by 5 or 10 time in the next few years would be only 
taking its fair share in the action.



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John Lubbock
Sent: 15 October 2018 13:14
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Monthly skill share idea

Hi all, after talking to community members at the London meetup yesterday,
I want to suggest that we start running a monthly skillshare after work at
the Wikimedia UK office. It would be good to organise a 12 month programme
with skillshares on things like 'getting an article to featured article
status', AWB, Wikidata infoboxes, something on commons or photography
perhaps.

Would anybody like to suggest other subjects which it would be good to have
a workshop on? We need a list of 12 which would have some broad appeal to
the community and chapter members.

I would suggest Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, maybe first week of the
month. How does that sound to everyone?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monthly skill share idea

2018-10-15 Thread Arne Wossink 
Hi all,

Wikimedia Nederland has done something similar last year. We've organized a
couple of evenings that were also streamed online. Topics included Commons
(photography tips & uploading), Wikidata, copyright, mass-uploading
(Pattypan mostly). Feel free to contact me for more details.

Best,

Arne Wossink

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Op ma 15 okt. 2018 om 16:05 schreef Lane Rasberry :

> You are on the main mailing list, did you know? Is this UK workshop to be
> online?
>
> Ideas:
> Using the Programs and Events Dashboard.
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programs_%26_Events_Dashboard>
>
> Related, generating traffic reports with massviews.
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Traffic_reporting#Massviews_Analysis>
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:48 AM Benoît Evellin (Trizek) <
> bevel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> > Have you checked about similar initiatives from other chapters or user
> > groups? I've heard that Wikimédia France ou Wikimedia Deutschland host
> > similar workshops, both in their offices or inside of local groups. They
> > may have some feedback to share.
> >
> > Benoît
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 1:36 PM Peter Southwood <
> > peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I like the idea. Once you have worked out how to do it efficiently,
> maybe
> > > the WMF can send out trainers to places where the skills are thin on
> the
> > > ground.
> > > Cheers,
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > > Behalf Of John Lubbock
> > > Sent: 15 October 2018 13:14
> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Monthly skill share idea
> > >
> > > Hi all, after talking to community members at the London meetup
> > yesterday,
> > > I want to suggest that we start running a monthly skillshare after work
> > at
> > > the Wikimedia UK office. It would be good to organise a 12 month
> > programme
> > > with skillshares on things like 'getting an article to featured article
> > > status', AWB, Wikidata infoboxes, something on commons or photography
> > > perhaps.
> > >
> > > Would anybody like to suggest other subjects which it would be good to
> > have
> > > a workshop on? We need a list of 12 which would have some broad appeal
> to
> > > the community and chapter members.
> > >
> > > I would suggest Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, maybe first week of the
> > > month. How does that sound to everyone?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monthly skill share idea

2018-10-15 Thread Lane Rasberry 
You are on the main mailing list, did you know? Is this UK workshop to be
online?

Ideas:
Using the Programs and Events Dashboard.
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programs_%26_Events_Dashboard>

Related, generating traffic reports with massviews.
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Traffic_reporting#Massviews_Analysis>

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 8:48 AM Benoît Evellin (Trizek) <
bevel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Have you checked about similar initiatives from other chapters or user
> groups? I've heard that Wikimédia France ou Wikimedia Deutschland host
> similar workshops, both in their offices or inside of local groups. They
> may have some feedback to share.
>
> Benoît
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 1:36 PM Peter Southwood <
> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>
> > I like the idea. Once you have worked out how to do it efficiently, maybe
> > the WMF can send out trainers to places where the skills are thin on the
> > ground.
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> > Behalf Of John Lubbock
> > Sent: 15 October 2018 13:14
> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Monthly skill share idea
> >
> > Hi all, after talking to community members at the London meetup
> yesterday,
> > I want to suggest that we start running a monthly skillshare after work
> at
> > the Wikimedia UK office. It would be good to organise a 12 month
> programme
> > with skillshares on things like 'getting an article to featured article
> > status', AWB, Wikidata infoboxes, something on commons or photography
> > perhaps.
> >
> > Would anybody like to suggest other subjects which it would be good to
> have
> > a workshop on? We need a list of 12 which would have some broad appeal to
> > the community and chapter members.
> >
> > I would suggest Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, maybe first week of the
> > month. How does that sound to everyone?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monthly skill share idea

2018-10-15 Thread Trizek 
Have you checked about similar initiatives from other chapters or user
groups? I've heard that Wikimédia France ou Wikimedia Deutschland host
similar workshops, both in their offices or inside of local groups. They
may have some feedback to share.

Benoît

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 1:36 PM Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:

> I like the idea. Once you have worked out how to do it efficiently, maybe
> the WMF can send out trainers to places where the skills are thin on the
> ground.
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of John Lubbock
> Sent: 15 October 2018 13:14
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Monthly skill share idea
>
> Hi all, after talking to community members at the London meetup yesterday,
> I want to suggest that we start running a monthly skillshare after work at
> the Wikimedia UK office. It would be good to organise a 12 month programme
> with skillshares on things like 'getting an article to featured article
> status', AWB, Wikidata infoboxes, something on commons or photography
> perhaps.
>
> Would anybody like to suggest other subjects which it would be good to have
> a workshop on? We need a list of 12 which would have some broad appeal to
> the community and chapter members.
>
> I would suggest Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, maybe first week of the
> month. How does that sound to everyone?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monthly skill share idea

2018-10-15 Thread Peter Southwood 
I like the idea. Once you have worked out how to do it efficiently, maybe the 
WMF can send out trainers to places where the skills are thin on the ground.
Cheers, 
Peter

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Sent: 15 October 2018 13:14
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Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Monthly skill share idea

Hi all, after talking to community members at the London meetup yesterday,
I want to suggest that we start running a monthly skillshare after work at
the Wikimedia UK office. It would be good to organise a 12 month programme
with skillshares on things like 'getting an article to featured article
status', AWB, Wikidata infoboxes, something on commons or photography
perhaps.

Would anybody like to suggest other subjects which it would be good to have
a workshop on? We need a list of 12 which would have some broad appeal to
the community and chapter members.

I would suggest Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, maybe first week of the
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Monthly skill share idea

2018-10-15 Thread Tito Dutta 
Excellent idea. There was an idea to start something similar "what have you
learnt recently/Share your exciting new learning (of course Wiki-related)".

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On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 at 16:45, John Lubbock 
wrote:

> Hi all, after talking to community members at the London meetup yesterday,
> I want to suggest that we start running a monthly skillshare after work at
> the Wikimedia UK office. It would be good to organise a 12 month programme
> with skillshares on things like 'getting an article to featured article
> status', AWB, Wikidata infoboxes, something on commons or photography
> perhaps.
>
> Would anybody like to suggest other subjects which it would be good to have
> a workshop on? We need a list of 12 which would have some broad appeal to
> the community and chapter members.
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Monthly skill share idea

2018-10-15 Thread John Lubbock 
Hi all, after talking to community members at the London meetup yesterday,
I want to suggest that we start running a monthly skillshare after work at
the Wikimedia UK office. It would be good to organise a 12 month programme
with skillshares on things like 'getting an article to featured article
status', AWB, Wikidata infoboxes, something on commons or photography
perhaps.

Would anybody like to suggest other subjects which it would be good to have
a workshop on? We need a list of 12 which would have some broad appeal to
the community and chapter members.

I would suggest Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, maybe first week of the
month. How does that sound to everyone?
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