Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

[Pine W]

I'm fine with people having some private discussions. The more formal
the discussion is, and the more public the implications of the
discussions are, then the more I think that the discussions should be
public with the exception of discussions involving information which
there is a strong reason to keep confidential such as certain types of
banking information or information which would de-anonymize an
individual good faith contributor to the Wikimedia projects who has
not consented to having their identity published. Binding policy
decisions which are mare through RfCs should have the final RfCs be
public, although private discussions about the RfCs are fine so long
as they don't involve canvassing or meatpuppetry.

I'm fine with what Nicole's publication of the video in its current
form, and I'm thankful that we got the video at all. She wasn't
required to publish any of it, although I think that publishing it was
a good idea and is beneficial.

There are legal issues involved with recording people without their
knowledge, and these laws vary by jurisdiction. I generally don't
encourage people to record video and/or audio of meetings without the
knowledge of everyone who is participating, especially if they have
not researched the relevant local laws. As a courtesy, even if
recording video and/or audio of people without their knowledge is
legally allowed, I usually encourage notification of people who will
be recorded and giving them a chance to opt out.

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

[Chris Gates via Wikimedia-l]

Hi,

The IRC channels where public, on-topic discussions are held usually have
public logging, like #wikimedia-office. And regardless of the channel,
discussions within them have no bearing on onwiki actions. In other words,
binding decisions cannot be made solely on IRC. That is very different with
a movement strategy discussion.

Regards,
Vermont

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 13:32 Aron Manning  wrote:

> Hi Todd,
>
> I'm not sure how your comment about "backchanneling" is applicable to a
> recording made in public. Please express your views in a good-faith and
> respectful manner.
>
> On Wikimedia projects, we do things in full public view.
>
>
> To prove your point, please link to the log of the irc channels and the
> admin back-channels to start with.
>
>
> Aron
>
>
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 19:21, Todd Allen  wrote:
>
> > Nicole,
> >
> > While I appreciate you taking the time to respond, this is exactly why we
> > distrust this kind of backchanneling. If you have something to say, you
> say
> > it publicly, open to criticism and dispute. You don't say it in a "salon"
> > or a "survey" or anything else insulated from that. On Wikimedia
> projects,
> > we do things in full public view.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020, 10:14 AM Nicole Ebber 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello again,
> > >
> > > I now realised that none of the participants in the audience was aware
> > > of us recording them, and that we aren't able to identify them to ask
> > > for their consent. We are not going to release the full video, but are
> > > of course happy to answer potential questions and create more clarity
> > > where needed.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Nicole
> > >
> > > On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 11:30, Nicole Ebber 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Todd,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your question. The video is indeed incomplete. We cut if
> > > > for the viewer's comfort, as the original version is ~60 mins long,
> > > > and has questions and interaction with the audience at All Hands. Our
> > > > main objective for this video was to focus on conveying the broad
> > > > context and content of each recommendation in a quick and accessible
> > > > way, without putting too much emphasis on specific recommendations or
> > > > details.
> > > >
> > > > We'll look into whether the dialogues offer additional clarity. We
> > > > might also have to identify those who have asked the questions and
> get
> > > > their consent to publish. That can take a couple of days, so please
> > > > stay tuned.
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > > Nicole
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 21:25, Todd Allen 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Nicole,
> > > > >
> > > > > The second video seems to be incomplete. There are, for example,
> > > several
> > > > > jump cuts, e.g., at 05:07, 11:08, 17:08, 22:31, etc. At 11:14 the
> > > > > presenters invite questions or comments, and at 41:32 someone is
> > > clearly
> > > > > being called upon to offer one, but they are not shown in the
> video.
> > > Could
> > > > > you please provide a link to the entire video without cuts,
> including
> > > any
> > > > > questions or comments and the responses to them?
> > > > >
> > > > > Todd
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:45 AM Nicole Ebber <
> > > nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We’re in week 4 of community conversations about the movement
> > > strategy
> > > > > > recommendations. Thank you to everyone who has already taken
> part.
> > > The
> > > > > > community conversations will continue until Friday, February 21 -
> > you
> > > > > > can get involved on Meta[1] in Arabic, English, French, German,
> > > Hindi,
> > > > > > Spanish, and Portuguese, strategize with your community or
> > > > > > organization, or send the core team your feedback to
> > > > > > strategy2...@wikimedia.org.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This current round of community conversations is the last
> > opportunity
> > > > > > to suggest improvements to the recommendations. They will be
> > > finalized
> > > > > > before the end of March, and then published for the movement to
> > > > > > understand them, reflect on what they mean in their project,
> local,
> > > or
> > > > > > thematic context, and move into implementation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > == Movement feedback: what happens next ==
> > > > > > All feedback is being collected, reviewed and analyzed on an
> > ongoing
> > > > > > basis. Here are the  next steps after February 21:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Week commencing February 24: the core team will summarize all
> the
> > > > > > feedback received in a report. You are welcome to continue
> > commenting
> > > > > > and discussing during this time, but the discussions will not be
> as
> > > > > > closely facilitated and documented.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Week commencing March 2: the core team will publish the above
> > > report
> > > > > > on Meta to give the movement an opportunity to 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

[Todd Allen]

I don't like those either. I tend to ignore email unless there's a very
good reason for private communication. If not, well, post a message on my
talk page.

The recording is incomplete. A complete recording would be the raw video of
the session without cuts or edits, and with everyone there aware they're
being recorded and knowing anything they say is open to public scrutiny.

The video here failed in that. Every meeting regarding Wikimedia strategy
should be recorded, and the uncut video made available to the public. No
backchanneling, no secrecy, no "Oh they didn't know!". They didn't have to
know to be legally allowed to publish, nor is their permission required.

Todd

Todd

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020, 11:32 AM Aron Manning  wrote:

> Hi Todd,
>
> I'm not sure how your comment about "backchanneling" is applicable to a
> recording made in public. Please express your views in a good-faith and
> respectful manner.
>
> On Wikimedia projects, we do things in full public view.
>
>
> To prove your point, please link to the log of the irc channels and the
> admin back-channels to start with.
>
>
> Aron
>
>
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 19:21, Todd Allen  wrote:
>
> > Nicole,
> >
> > While I appreciate you taking the time to respond, this is exactly why we
> > distrust this kind of backchanneling. If you have something to say, you
> say
> > it publicly, open to criticism and dispute. You don't say it in a "salon"
> > or a "survey" or anything else insulated from that. On Wikimedia
> projects,
> > we do things in full public view.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 18, 2020, 10:14 AM Nicole Ebber 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello again,
> > >
> > > I now realised that none of the participants in the audience was aware
> > > of us recording them, and that we aren't able to identify them to ask
> > > for their consent. We are not going to release the full video, but are
> > > of course happy to answer potential questions and create more clarity
> > > where needed.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Nicole
> > >
> > > On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 11:30, Nicole Ebber 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Todd,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your question. The video is indeed incomplete. We cut if
> > > > for the viewer's comfort, as the original version is ~60 mins long,
> > > > and has questions and interaction with the audience at All Hands. Our
> > > > main objective for this video was to focus on conveying the broad
> > > > context and content of each recommendation in a quick and accessible
> > > > way, without putting too much emphasis on specific recommendations or
> > > > details.
> > > >
> > > > We'll look into whether the dialogues offer additional clarity. We
> > > > might also have to identify those who have asked the questions and
> get
> > > > their consent to publish. That can take a couple of days, so please
> > > > stay tuned.
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > > Nicole
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 21:25, Todd Allen 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Nicole,
> > > > >
> > > > > The second video seems to be incomplete. There are, for example,
> > > several
> > > > > jump cuts, e.g., at 05:07, 11:08, 17:08, 22:31, etc. At 11:14 the
> > > > > presenters invite questions or comments, and at 41:32 someone is
> > > clearly
> > > > > being called upon to offer one, but they are not shown in the
> video.
> > > Could
> > > > > you please provide a link to the entire video without cuts,
> including
> > > any
> > > > > questions or comments and the responses to them?
> > > > >
> > > > > Todd
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:45 AM Nicole Ebber <
> > > nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We’re in week 4 of community conversations about the movement
> > > strategy
> > > > > > recommendations. Thank you to everyone who has already taken
> part.
> > > The
> > > > > > community conversations will continue until Friday, February 21 -
> > you
> > > > > > can get involved on Meta[1] in Arabic, English, French, German,
> > > Hindi,
> > > > > > Spanish, and Portuguese, strategize with your community or
> > > > > > organization, or send the core team your feedback to
> > > > > > strategy2...@wikimedia.org.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This current round of community conversations is the last
> > opportunity
> > > > > > to suggest improvements to the recommendations. They will be
> > > finalized
> > > > > > before the end of March, and then published for the movement to
> > > > > > understand them, reflect on what they mean in their project,
> local,
> > > or
> > > > > > thematic context, and move into implementation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > == Movement feedback: what happens next ==
> > > > > > All feedback is being collected, reviewed and analyzed on an
> > ongoing
> > > > > > basis. Here are the  next steps after February 21:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Week commencing February 24: the core team will summarize all
> the
> > > > > > feedback received in a 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

[Aron Manning]

Hi Todd,

I'm not sure how your comment about "backchanneling" is applicable to a
recording made in public. Please express your views in a good-faith and
respectful manner.

On Wikimedia projects, we do things in full public view.


To prove your point, please link to the log of the irc channels and the
admin back-channels to start with.


Aron


On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 19:21, Todd Allen  wrote:

> Nicole,
>
> While I appreciate you taking the time to respond, this is exactly why we
> distrust this kind of backchanneling. If you have something to say, you say
> it publicly, open to criticism and dispute. You don't say it in a "salon"
> or a "survey" or anything else insulated from that. On Wikimedia projects,
> we do things in full public view.
>
> Todd
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020, 10:14 AM Nicole Ebber 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello again,
> >
> > I now realised that none of the participants in the audience was aware
> > of us recording them, and that we aren't able to identify them to ask
> > for their consent. We are not going to release the full video, but are
> > of course happy to answer potential questions and create more clarity
> > where needed.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Nicole
> >
> > On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 11:30, Nicole Ebber 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Todd,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your question. The video is indeed incomplete. We cut if
> > > for the viewer's comfort, as the original version is ~60 mins long,
> > > and has questions and interaction with the audience at All Hands. Our
> > > main objective for this video was to focus on conveying the broad
> > > context and content of each recommendation in a quick and accessible
> > > way, without putting too much emphasis on specific recommendations or
> > > details.
> > >
> > > We'll look into whether the dialogues offer additional clarity. We
> > > might also have to identify those who have asked the questions and get
> > > their consent to publish. That can take a couple of days, so please
> > > stay tuned.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > > Nicole
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 21:25, Todd Allen  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Nicole,
> > > >
> > > > The second video seems to be incomplete. There are, for example,
> > several
> > > > jump cuts, e.g., at 05:07, 11:08, 17:08, 22:31, etc. At 11:14 the
> > > > presenters invite questions or comments, and at 41:32 someone is
> > clearly
> > > > being called upon to offer one, but they are not shown in the video.
> > Could
> > > > you please provide a link to the entire video without cuts, including
> > any
> > > > questions or comments and the responses to them?
> > > >
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:45 AM Nicole Ebber <
> > nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > We’re in week 4 of community conversations about the movement
> > strategy
> > > > > recommendations. Thank you to everyone who has already taken part.
> > The
> > > > > community conversations will continue until Friday, February 21 -
> you
> > > > > can get involved on Meta[1] in Arabic, English, French, German,
> > Hindi,
> > > > > Spanish, and Portuguese, strategize with your community or
> > > > > organization, or send the core team your feedback to
> > > > > strategy2...@wikimedia.org.
> > > > >
> > > > > This current round of community conversations is the last
> opportunity
> > > > > to suggest improvements to the recommendations. They will be
> > finalized
> > > > > before the end of March, and then published for the movement to
> > > > > understand them, reflect on what they mean in their project, local,
> > or
> > > > > thematic context, and move into implementation.
> > > > >
> > > > > == Movement feedback: what happens next ==
> > > > > All feedback is being collected, reviewed and analyzed on an
> ongoing
> > > > > basis. Here are the  next steps after February 21:
> > > > >
> > > > > * Week commencing February 24: the core team will summarize all the
> > > > > feedback received in a report. You are welcome to continue
> commenting
> > > > > and discussing during this time, but the discussions will not be as
> > > > > closely facilitated and documented.
> > > > >
> > > > > * Week commencing March 2: the core team will publish the above
> > report
> > > > > on Meta to give the movement an opportunity to review the content
> and
> > > > > give feedback as to whether it accurately reflects their input. The
> > > > > closing date for this is March 6. This summary report will then be
> > > > > finalized and published.
> > > > >
> > > > > In mid-March, the feedback from the Board of Trustees, movement
> > > > > conversations and reviewers' input will be considered in the
> creation
> > > > > of the final, improved set of recommendations. A rationale for
> things
> > > > > that have not been considered will be provided, too. Our aim is to
> > > > > have the recommendations finalized and published in late March.
> More
> > > > > about the actual integration 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

[Todd Allen]

Nicole,

While I appreciate you taking the time to respond, this is exactly why we
distrust this kind of backchanneling. If you have something to say, you say
it publicly, open to criticism and dispute. You don't say it in a "salon"
or a "survey" or anything else insulated from that. On Wikimedia projects,
we do things in full public view.

Todd

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020, 10:14 AM Nicole Ebber 
wrote:

> Hello again,
>
> I now realised that none of the participants in the audience was aware
> of us recording them, and that we aren't able to identify them to ask
> for their consent. We are not going to release the full video, but are
> of course happy to answer potential questions and create more clarity
> where needed.
>
> Best wishes,
> Nicole
>
> On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 11:30, Nicole Ebber 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Todd,
> >
> > Thanks for your question. The video is indeed incomplete. We cut if
> > for the viewer's comfort, as the original version is ~60 mins long,
> > and has questions and interaction with the audience at All Hands. Our
> > main objective for this video was to focus on conveying the broad
> > context and content of each recommendation in a quick and accessible
> > way, without putting too much emphasis on specific recommendations or
> > details.
> >
> > We'll look into whether the dialogues offer additional clarity. We
> > might also have to identify those who have asked the questions and get
> > their consent to publish. That can take a couple of days, so please
> > stay tuned.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Nicole
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 21:25, Todd Allen  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Nicole,
> > >
> > > The second video seems to be incomplete. There are, for example,
> several
> > > jump cuts, e.g., at 05:07, 11:08, 17:08, 22:31, etc. At 11:14 the
> > > presenters invite questions or comments, and at 41:32 someone is
> clearly
> > > being called upon to offer one, but they are not shown in the video.
> Could
> > > you please provide a link to the entire video without cuts, including
> any
> > > questions or comments and the responses to them?
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:45 AM Nicole Ebber <
> nicole.eb...@wikimedia.de>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > We’re in week 4 of community conversations about the movement
> strategy
> > > > recommendations. Thank you to everyone who has already taken part.
> The
> > > > community conversations will continue until Friday, February 21 - you
> > > > can get involved on Meta[1] in Arabic, English, French, German,
> Hindi,
> > > > Spanish, and Portuguese, strategize with your community or
> > > > organization, or send the core team your feedback to
> > > > strategy2...@wikimedia.org.
> > > >
> > > > This current round of community conversations is the last opportunity
> > > > to suggest improvements to the recommendations. They will be
> finalized
> > > > before the end of March, and then published for the movement to
> > > > understand them, reflect on what they mean in their project, local,
> or
> > > > thematic context, and move into implementation.
> > > >
> > > > == Movement feedback: what happens next ==
> > > > All feedback is being collected, reviewed and analyzed on an ongoing
> > > > basis. Here are the  next steps after February 21:
> > > >
> > > > * Week commencing February 24: the core team will summarize all the
> > > > feedback received in a report. You are welcome to continue commenting
> > > > and discussing during this time, but the discussions will not be as
> > > > closely facilitated and documented.
> > > >
> > > > * Week commencing March 2: the core team will publish the above
> report
> > > > on Meta to give the movement an opportunity to review the content and
> > > > give feedback as to whether it accurately reflects their input. The
> > > > closing date for this is March 6. This summary report will then be
> > > > finalized and published.
> > > >
> > > > In mid-March, the feedback from the Board of Trustees, movement
> > > > conversations and reviewers' input will be considered in the creation
> > > > of the final, improved set of recommendations. A rationale for things
> > > > that have not been considered will be provided, too. Our aim is to
> > > > have the recommendations finalized and published in late March. More
> > > > about the actual integration work coming soon.
> > > >
> > > > == Video and podcast about our work; one-pager ==
> > > > Members of the core team - Tanveer Hasan, Information and Knowledge
> > > > Liaison, and Mehrdad Pourzaki, Information and Knowledge Manager -
> > > > recently held a presentation about all the recommendations at the
> > > > Wikimedia Foundation All Hands. They provide a quick, concise
> overview
> > > > of every recommendation and also some insight into how each was
> > > > developed. Video of the presentation [2] and the presentation slides
> > > > [3] are now on Commons.
> > > >
> > > > Jan Ainali has interviewed me for his podcast 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

[Nicole Ebber]

Hello again,

I now realised that none of the participants in the audience was aware
of us recording them, and that we aren't able to identify them to ask
for their consent. We are not going to release the full video, but are
of course happy to answer potential questions and create more clarity
where needed.

Best wishes,
Nicole

On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 11:30, Nicole Ebber  wrote:
>
> Hello Todd,
>
> Thanks for your question. The video is indeed incomplete. We cut if
> for the viewer's comfort, as the original version is ~60 mins long,
> and has questions and interaction with the audience at All Hands. Our
> main objective for this video was to focus on conveying the broad
> context and content of each recommendation in a quick and accessible
> way, without putting too much emphasis on specific recommendations or
> details.
>
> We'll look into whether the dialogues offer additional clarity. We
> might also have to identify those who have asked the questions and get
> their consent to publish. That can take a couple of days, so please
> stay tuned.
>
> Best wishes,
> Nicole
>
>
> On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 21:25, Todd Allen  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Nicole,
> >
> > The second video seems to be incomplete. There are, for example, several
> > jump cuts, e.g., at 05:07, 11:08, 17:08, 22:31, etc. At 11:14 the
> > presenters invite questions or comments, and at 41:32 someone is clearly
> > being called upon to offer one, but they are not shown in the video. Could
> > you please provide a link to the entire video without cuts, including any
> > questions or comments and the responses to them?
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:45 AM Nicole Ebber 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > We’re in week 4 of community conversations about the movement strategy
> > > recommendations. Thank you to everyone who has already taken part. The
> > > community conversations will continue until Friday, February 21 - you
> > > can get involved on Meta[1] in Arabic, English, French, German, Hindi,
> > > Spanish, and Portuguese, strategize with your community or
> > > organization, or send the core team your feedback to
> > > strategy2...@wikimedia.org.
> > >
> > > This current round of community conversations is the last opportunity
> > > to suggest improvements to the recommendations. They will be finalized
> > > before the end of March, and then published for the movement to
> > > understand them, reflect on what they mean in their project, local, or
> > > thematic context, and move into implementation.
> > >
> > > == Movement feedback: what happens next ==
> > > All feedback is being collected, reviewed and analyzed on an ongoing
> > > basis. Here are the  next steps after February 21:
> > >
> > > * Week commencing February 24: the core team will summarize all the
> > > feedback received in a report. You are welcome to continue commenting
> > > and discussing during this time, but the discussions will not be as
> > > closely facilitated and documented.
> > >
> > > * Week commencing March 2: the core team will publish the above report
> > > on Meta to give the movement an opportunity to review the content and
> > > give feedback as to whether it accurately reflects their input. The
> > > closing date for this is March 6. This summary report will then be
> > > finalized and published.
> > >
> > > In mid-March, the feedback from the Board of Trustees, movement
> > > conversations and reviewers' input will be considered in the creation
> > > of the final, improved set of recommendations. A rationale for things
> > > that have not been considered will be provided, too. Our aim is to
> > > have the recommendations finalized and published in late March. More
> > > about the actual integration work coming soon.
> > >
> > > == Video and podcast about our work; one-pager ==
> > > Members of the core team - Tanveer Hasan, Information and Knowledge
> > > Liaison, and Mehrdad Pourzaki, Information and Knowledge Manager -
> > > recently held a presentation about all the recommendations at the
> > > Wikimedia Foundation All Hands. They provide a quick, concise overview
> > > of every recommendation and also some insight into how each was
> > > developed. Video of the presentation [2] and the presentation slides
> > > [3] are now on Commons.
> > >
> > > Jan Ainali has interviewed me for his podcast Wikipedia Podden. I’m
> > > speaking with him about the past, present and future of movement
> > > strategy[4].
> > >
> > > The one-pager created by Andrew Lih (User:Fuzheado) has been very
> > > popular. Again, a big thank you to Andrew for putting this together.
> > > In addition to Arabic, English, and Hindi versions, it is now also
> > > available in Farsi [5, 6].
> > >
> > > == Meeting notes from the office hours  ==
> > > We have published a condensed summary of the meeting notes [7] from
> > > the office hours that were held by the core team on Thursday, January
> > > 30. The notes provide an overview of the key points and 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

[Nicole Ebber]

Hello Todd,

Thanks for your question. The video is indeed incomplete. We cut if
for the viewer's comfort, as the original version is ~60 mins long,
and has questions and interaction with the audience at All Hands. Our
main objective for this video was to focus on conveying the broad
context and content of each recommendation in a quick and accessible
way, without putting too much emphasis on specific recommendations or
details.

We'll look into whether the dialogues offer additional clarity. We
might also have to identify those who have asked the questions and get
their consent to publish. That can take a couple of days, so please
stay tuned.

Best wishes,
Nicole


On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 21:25, Todd Allen  wrote:
>
> Hello Nicole,
>
> The second video seems to be incomplete. There are, for example, several
> jump cuts, e.g., at 05:07, 11:08, 17:08, 22:31, etc. At 11:14 the
> presenters invite questions or comments, and at 41:32 someone is clearly
> being called upon to offer one, but they are not shown in the video. Could
> you please provide a link to the entire video without cuts, including any
> questions or comments and the responses to them?
>
> Todd
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:45 AM Nicole Ebber 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > We’re in week 4 of community conversations about the movement strategy
> > recommendations. Thank you to everyone who has already taken part. The
> > community conversations will continue until Friday, February 21 - you
> > can get involved on Meta[1] in Arabic, English, French, German, Hindi,
> > Spanish, and Portuguese, strategize with your community or
> > organization, or send the core team your feedback to
> > strategy2...@wikimedia.org.
> >
> > This current round of community conversations is the last opportunity
> > to suggest improvements to the recommendations. They will be finalized
> > before the end of March, and then published for the movement to
> > understand them, reflect on what they mean in their project, local, or
> > thematic context, and move into implementation.
> >
> > == Movement feedback: what happens next ==
> > All feedback is being collected, reviewed and analyzed on an ongoing
> > basis. Here are the  next steps after February 21:
> >
> > * Week commencing February 24: the core team will summarize all the
> > feedback received in a report. You are welcome to continue commenting
> > and discussing during this time, but the discussions will not be as
> > closely facilitated and documented.
> >
> > * Week commencing March 2: the core team will publish the above report
> > on Meta to give the movement an opportunity to review the content and
> > give feedback as to whether it accurately reflects their input. The
> > closing date for this is March 6. This summary report will then be
> > finalized and published.
> >
> > In mid-March, the feedback from the Board of Trustees, movement
> > conversations and reviewers' input will be considered in the creation
> > of the final, improved set of recommendations. A rationale for things
> > that have not been considered will be provided, too. Our aim is to
> > have the recommendations finalized and published in late March. More
> > about the actual integration work coming soon.
> >
> > == Video and podcast about our work; one-pager ==
> > Members of the core team - Tanveer Hasan, Information and Knowledge
> > Liaison, and Mehrdad Pourzaki, Information and Knowledge Manager -
> > recently held a presentation about all the recommendations at the
> > Wikimedia Foundation All Hands. They provide a quick, concise overview
> > of every recommendation and also some insight into how each was
> > developed. Video of the presentation [2] and the presentation slides
> > [3] are now on Commons.
> >
> > Jan Ainali has interviewed me for his podcast Wikipedia Podden. I’m
> > speaking with him about the past, present and future of movement
> > strategy[4].
> >
> > The one-pager created by Andrew Lih (User:Fuzheado) has been very
> > popular. Again, a big thank you to Andrew for putting this together.
> > In addition to Arabic, English, and Hindi versions, it is now also
> > available in Farsi [5, 6].
> >
> > == Meeting notes from the office hours  ==
> > We have published a condensed summary of the meeting notes [7] from
> > the office hours that were held by the core team on Thursday, January
> > 30. The notes provide an overview of the key points and questions that
> > were raised during the two calls as well as summaries of the
> > responses.
> >
> > == Do you have further questions? ==
> > Members of the core team will join the upcoming Wikimedia Café on
> > February 15 [8], which will focus on the movement strategy
> > recommendations. The Wikimedia Café is a community-led meeting hosted
> > by User:Pine and User:Bluerasberry, and we are happy to take part and
> > help answer any questions people may have about the recommendations.
> > Additionally, if you are looking for more information about any of the
> > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

[Pine W]

Hello,

A brief note to say thanks to Mehrdad and Rupika for their support of
the January and/or February Wikimedia Café events. Also, thanks to
volunteers who have been involved in the strategy process for their
participation, thanks to User:Fuzheado for the one page summary of the
strategy recommendations, and thanks to Nicole for the updates in the
February 14th email.

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

[Todd Allen]

Hello Nicole,

The second video seems to be incomplete. There are, for example, several
jump cuts, e.g., at 05:07, 11:08, 17:08, 22:31, etc. At 11:14 the
presenters invite questions or comments, and at 41:32 someone is clearly
being called upon to offer one, but they are not shown in the video. Could
you please provide a link to the entire video without cuts, including any
questions or comments and the responses to them?

Todd

On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:45 AM Nicole Ebber 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> We’re in week 4 of community conversations about the movement strategy
> recommendations. Thank you to everyone who has already taken part. The
> community conversations will continue until Friday, February 21 - you
> can get involved on Meta[1] in Arabic, English, French, German, Hindi,
> Spanish, and Portuguese, strategize with your community or
> organization, or send the core team your feedback to
> strategy2...@wikimedia.org.
>
> This current round of community conversations is the last opportunity
> to suggest improvements to the recommendations. They will be finalized
> before the end of March, and then published for the movement to
> understand them, reflect on what they mean in their project, local, or
> thematic context, and move into implementation.
>
> == Movement feedback: what happens next ==
> All feedback is being collected, reviewed and analyzed on an ongoing
> basis. Here are the  next steps after February 21:
>
> * Week commencing February 24: the core team will summarize all the
> feedback received in a report. You are welcome to continue commenting
> and discussing during this time, but the discussions will not be as
> closely facilitated and documented.
>
> * Week commencing March 2: the core team will publish the above report
> on Meta to give the movement an opportunity to review the content and
> give feedback as to whether it accurately reflects their input. The
> closing date for this is March 6. This summary report will then be
> finalized and published.
>
> In mid-March, the feedback from the Board of Trustees, movement
> conversations and reviewers' input will be considered in the creation
> of the final, improved set of recommendations. A rationale for things
> that have not been considered will be provided, too. Our aim is to
> have the recommendations finalized and published in late March. More
> about the actual integration work coming soon.
>
> == Video and podcast about our work; one-pager ==
> Members of the core team - Tanveer Hasan, Information and Knowledge
> Liaison, and Mehrdad Pourzaki, Information and Knowledge Manager -
> recently held a presentation about all the recommendations at the
> Wikimedia Foundation All Hands. They provide a quick, concise overview
> of every recommendation and also some insight into how each was
> developed. Video of the presentation [2] and the presentation slides
> [3] are now on Commons.
>
> Jan Ainali has interviewed me for his podcast Wikipedia Podden. I’m
> speaking with him about the past, present and future of movement
> strategy[4].
>
> The one-pager created by Andrew Lih (User:Fuzheado) has been very
> popular. Again, a big thank you to Andrew for putting this together.
> In addition to Arabic, English, and Hindi versions, it is now also
> available in Farsi [5, 6].
>
> == Meeting notes from the office hours  ==
> We have published a condensed summary of the meeting notes [7] from
> the office hours that were held by the core team on Thursday, January
> 30. The notes provide an overview of the key points and questions that
> were raised during the two calls as well as summaries of the
> responses.
>
> == Do you have further questions? ==
> Members of the core team will join the upcoming Wikimedia Café on
> February 15 [8], which will focus on the movement strategy
> recommendations. The Wikimedia Café is a community-led meeting hosted
> by User:Pine and User:Bluerasberry, and we are happy to take part and
> help answer any questions people may have about the recommendations.
> Additionally, if you are looking for more information about any of the
> above topics or about the movement strategy in general, take a look at
> our FAQ section [9].
>
> Happy weekend,
> Nicole
>
> [1]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> [2]
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_movement_strategy_recommendations_presentation_at_WMF_All-Hands_2020.webm
> [3]
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Movement_Strategy_at_WMF_All_Hands_2020.pdf
> [4]
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WP_72_-_Wikimedia_2030,_a_strategy_interview.mp3#%7B%7Bint%3Afiledesc%7D%7D
> [5]
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:One-page_overview_of_the_first_version_of_the_Wikimedia_2030_movement_strategy_recommendations.pdf
> [6]
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

[Info WorldUniversity]

Thanks for this great plan of action or policy designed to achieve a major
or overall aim - regarding the sum of all knowledge. I enjoyed your podcast
-
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WP_72_-_Wikimedia_2030,_a_strategy_interview.mp3#%7B%7Bint%3Afiledesc%7D%7D
-
in particular. (Seems like in the 'united states of whatebber' per your
Twitter photo, Nicole - https://twitter.com/antischokke - that tactics, by
way of comparison, have been very significant thus far in the Wikimedia
movement).

(In that CC-4 MIT OCW-centric wiki World University & School donated itself
to Wikidata in 2015, and received WUaS Miraheze MediaWiki in 2017 as a
consequence, am curious if WUaS would be considered an affiliate per these
email addressees above, or what?)

I have questions relating mostly to "the sum of all knowledge" goal of
Wikipedia -

epistemology questions - How does or will Wikimedia / Wikipedia / Wikidata
approach academic knowledge, eg in the ~32 departments in MIT OCW, for
example, in particular, in this strategizing - and per information
technology as a new aspect of knowledge generation?

linguistic questions - How will Wikidata approach its ~300 languages in
becoming a platform for academic linguistic departments, and regarding the
sum of all knowledge (and eventually all 7,111 known living languages)? ...
and also regarding the Wikidata lexicographical project.

questions, brainstorming and knowledge-wise, about
'ethno-wiki-virtual-world-graphy' as a new social science and STEM method
... how could Wikipedians and others begin to develop this wiki project in
the Wikidata / Wikimedia ecosystem?

questions about planning for all 7.5 billion people in first 300 languages,
and then in all 7,111 known living languages, as Wikipedia wiki editors,
curators, knowledge generators? It seems that these potentially 7.5 billion
people on the planet earth are most remarkable as generators of "the sum of
knowledge." How is Wikipedia planning for all these 'knowledge generators'?

Thanks,
Scott
(see blog 'label' regarding 'ethno-wiki-virtual-world-graphy' in this blog
-
https://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2020/02/keyhole-sand-dollar-agenda-and-minutes.html
 )


On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 9:44 AM Nicole Ebber 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> We’re in week 4 of community conversations about the movement strategy
> recommendations. Thank you to everyone who has already taken part. The
> community conversations will continue until Friday, February 21 - you
> can get involved on Meta[1] in Arabic, English, French, German, Hindi,
> Spanish, and Portuguese, strategize with your community or
> organization, or send the core team your feedback to
> strategy2...@wikimedia.org.
>
> This current round of community conversations is the last opportunity
> to suggest improvements to the recommendations. They will be finalized
> before the end of March, and then published for the movement to
> understand them, reflect on what they mean in their project, local, or
> thematic context, and move into implementation.
>
> == Movement feedback: what happens next ==
> All feedback is being collected, reviewed and analyzed on an ongoing
> basis. Here are the  next steps after February 21:
>
> * Week commencing February 24: the core team will summarize all the
> feedback received in a report. You are welcome to continue commenting
> and discussing during this time, but the discussions will not be as
> closely facilitated and documented.
>
> * Week commencing March 2: the core team will publish the above report
> on Meta to give the movement an opportunity to review the content and
> give feedback as to whether it accurately reflects their input. The
> closing date for this is March 6. This summary report will then be
> finalized and published.
>
> In mid-March, the feedback from the Board of Trustees, movement
> conversations and reviewers' input will be considered in the creation
> of the final, improved set of recommendations. A rationale for things
> that have not been considered will be provided, too. Our aim is to
> have the recommendations finalized and published in late March. More
> about the actual integration work coming soon.
>
> == Video and podcast about our work; one-pager ==
> Members of the core team - Tanveer Hasan, Information and Knowledge
> Liaison, and Mehrdad Pourzaki, Information and Knowledge Manager -
> recently held a presentation about all the recommendations at the
> Wikimedia Foundation All Hands. They provide a quick, concise overview
> of every recommendation and also some insight into how each was
> developed. Video of the presentation [2] and the presentation slides
> [3] are now on Commons.
>
> Jan Ainali has interviewed me for his podcast Wikipedia Podden. I’m
> speaking with him about the past, present and future of movement
> strategy[4].
>
> The one-pager created by Andrew Lih (User:Fuzheado) has been very
> popular. Again, a big thank you to Andrew for putting this together.
> In addition to Arabic, English, and 

[Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Last chance to review the recommendations, next steps

[Nicole Ebber]

Hi everyone,

We’re in week 4 of community conversations about the movement strategy
recommendations. Thank you to everyone who has already taken part. The
community conversations will continue until Friday, February 21 - you
can get involved on Meta[1] in Arabic, English, French, German, Hindi,
Spanish, and Portuguese, strategize with your community or
organization, or send the core team your feedback to
strategy2...@wikimedia.org.

This current round of community conversations is the last opportunity
to suggest improvements to the recommendations. They will be finalized
before the end of March, and then published for the movement to
understand them, reflect on what they mean in their project, local, or
thematic context, and move into implementation.

== Movement feedback: what happens next ==
All feedback is being collected, reviewed and analyzed on an ongoing
basis. Here are the  next steps after February 21:

* Week commencing February 24: the core team will summarize all the
feedback received in a report. You are welcome to continue commenting
and discussing during this time, but the discussions will not be as
closely facilitated and documented.

* Week commencing March 2: the core team will publish the above report
on Meta to give the movement an opportunity to review the content and
give feedback as to whether it accurately reflects their input. The
closing date for this is March 6. This summary report will then be
finalized and published.

In mid-March, the feedback from the Board of Trustees, movement
conversations and reviewers' input will be considered in the creation
of the final, improved set of recommendations. A rationale for things
that have not been considered will be provided, too. Our aim is to
have the recommendations finalized and published in late March. More
about the actual integration work coming soon.

== Video and podcast about our work; one-pager ==
Members of the core team - Tanveer Hasan, Information and Knowledge
Liaison, and Mehrdad Pourzaki, Information and Knowledge Manager -
recently held a presentation about all the recommendations at the
Wikimedia Foundation All Hands. They provide a quick, concise overview
of every recommendation and also some insight into how each was
developed. Video of the presentation [2] and the presentation slides
[3] are now on Commons.

Jan Ainali has interviewed me for his podcast Wikipedia Podden. I’m
speaking with him about the past, present and future of movement
strategy[4].

The one-pager created by Andrew Lih (User:Fuzheado) has been very
popular. Again, a big thank you to Andrew for putting this together.
In addition to Arabic, English, and Hindi versions, it is now also
available in Farsi [5, 6].

== Meeting notes from the office hours  ==
We have published a condensed summary of the meeting notes [7] from
the office hours that were held by the core team on Thursday, January
30. The notes provide an overview of the key points and questions that
were raised during the two calls as well as summaries of the
responses.

== Do you have further questions? ==
Members of the core team will join the upcoming Wikimedia Café on
February 15 [8], which will focus on the movement strategy
recommendations. The Wikimedia Café is a community-led meeting hosted
by User:Pine and User:Bluerasberry, and we are happy to take part and
help answer any questions people may have about the recommendations.
Additionally, if you are looking for more information about any of the
above topics or about the movement strategy in general, take a look at
our FAQ section [9].

Happy weekend,
Nicole

[1] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
[2] 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_movement_strategy_recommendations_presentation_at_WMF_All-Hands_2020.webm
[3] 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Movement_Strategy_at_WMF_All_Hands_2020.pdf
[4] 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WP_72_-_Wikimedia_2030,_a_strategy_interview.mp3#%7B%7Bint%3Afiledesc%7D%7D
[5] 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:One-page_overview_of_the_first_version_of_the_Wikimedia_2030_movement_strategy_recommendations.pdf
[6] 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%D9%85%D9%84%D8%AE%D9%91%D8%B5_%D8%AA%D9%88%D8%B5%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AA_%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%AA%D9%8A%D8%AC%D9%8A%D8%A9_2030.pdf
[7] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Reports/Movement_strategy_office_hours_notes
[8] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Caf%C3%A9
[9] 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequently_asked_questions



-- 
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Leiterin Internationale Beziehungen
Program Manager Wikimedia 2030 Movement Strategy
Wikimedia Deutschland e. V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin
Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0
https://wikimedia.de

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