Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-30 Thread Jane Darnell
I was just looking at the vital signs graph for Dutch and noticed that mobile page views has overtaken desktop pageviews on weekends, which is pretty cool. Maybe there could be a Wikigame that you could tune per language that connects items to articles? This wouldn't help with Wikipedians who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-29 Thread Raymond Leonard
Often I see or make additions to articles & then see hidden categories like Official Website not in Wikidata or Coordinates not in Wikidata, or the Authority Control data is in Wikidata but it has an LCCN parameter added in the template in Wikipedia. Are there any semi-automated tools that would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-29 Thread Romaine Wiki
That is comparing it with wrong examples that are not relevant here. On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should be added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual interwikis existed. And we have already received complaints why users do not get a

[Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-29 Thread Romaine Wiki
Hi all, I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata development: a better integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects. Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those are not added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject exists. Users forget to add a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-29 Thread Risker
Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"? This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't really feel comfortable with. We don't expect people to add images to Commons when they write an article. We don't expect people to include definitions in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-29 Thread Risker
This is where I disagree with you, Romaine. I do believe my examples are exactly right. We do not expect anyone to add information to any other project when they create content on the project of their choice. We have a hard enough time recruiting contributors to any of our projects now, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-29 Thread Leila Zia
Hi Risker, On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Risker wrote: > We do not expect anyone to add information to any other > project when they create content on the project of their choice. I'm thinking the Insert Media option in VE: there, we are giving the editor the option to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-29 Thread Romaine Wiki
I am 100% sure that such feature is optional: users must have the option to deactivate it. The feature will only work if it is an opt-out feature, because if users are informed about adding to Wikidata, most of them do. It are exactly those users who have not been informed which should get a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-29 Thread Todd Allen
If you've had some users requesting such a feature, could it perhaps be added as an opt-in preference setting? I'd be very annoyed by such a feature if it couldn't be disabled, and many might just be confused by it. On Oct 29, 2015 2:08 PM, "Romaine Wiki" wrote: > That is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-29 Thread Romaine Wiki
If you want to add a new image to Wikipedia, this image has to be on Commons (nl-wiki situation). If interwikilinks should be seen in the sidebar, the article needs to be added to Wikidata. This are the two relevant examples, other mentioned examples are not relevant as there is requirement in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-29 Thread Raymond Leonard
I am going to suggest something, but I have no idea of the development that it will take. Currently Visual Editor has Template forms. If Template data that has been inputted into a form can be directed to be stored automatically in Wikidata instead of Wikipedia, & that data is then pulled back

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-29 Thread WereSpielChequers
: 7 > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:04:58 -0700 > From: Raymond Leonard <raymond.f.leonard...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Cc: Wikidata mailing list <wikid...@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development > Message-ID: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-29 Thread Magnus Manske
I think it might just be a question of phrasing, actually. "Check if your new topic already exists in other languages, and connect it to those! Or [click here] to start a new Wikidata item for your article, so other language editions of Wikipedia can find it more easily!" For Wikipedians, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-29 Thread Gnangarra
While I agree that there is a necessity to link pages through Wikidata I'm with Risker such a message would itself become a barrier to the creation of content, we have enough of those already. We are forgetting that the people doing the edits do so as volunteers not paid employees, they do so for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-29 Thread Romaine Wiki
Yes, exactly. :-) 2015-10-29 23:22 GMT+01:00 Magnus Manske : > I think it might just be a question of phrasing, actually. > > "Check if your new topic already exists in other languages, and connect it > to those! > Or [click here] to start a new Wikidata item for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

2015-10-29 Thread Romaine Wiki
: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 12:04:58 -0700 > > From: Raymond Leonard <raymond.f.leonard...@gmail.com> > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Cc: Wikidata mailing list <wikid...@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development > > Message-ID: > >