Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement
Hi Salvador, I beleive we have at least three (or more) basises for inspiration and future success already. All started from scratches and all of them almost completely ignored all previous attempts. My 2 cents here is to lower the level of such ignorance as much as possible and build them in into this proposal; at least by pointing out what to avoid based on their failures (not to mention to learn what could work as showed popular) to speed up the process Balazs 2014.04.28. 19:12, Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com ezt írta: If a topic merge regularly only means that is an overwhelming worry that must be solved. I don't see Chris' proposal as reinventing the wheel but as a new attempt to give answers to an inconclude question. If past attempts have failed that doesn't mean that this one must do it either. Non sequitur. Even if it fails it can be the basis or inspiration for a future success. Remember one of our principles: Be bold! The members of AffComm are willing to support any initiative related to development of affiliates. Please Chris, feel comfortable asking us whatever you need. One of our members will follow up your efforts. Finally, we encourage the community to participate. 2014-04-28 11:30 GMT-05:00 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu: Hi all, pls correct me if I'm wrong, but WCA was aimed to do this (and already collected some materials) but ultimately failed due to the fact that from this basic idea it was quickly developed into an uber-chapter-like thing, not to mention the other problems. Anyways, I would highly recommend to stop reinventing the wheel every year as there are at least 2 or more similar (or like-minded) initiatives from the past years. Plus those that I'm not aware of. Rather collect and merge them into a single proposition as there are plenty to learn from their failure than starting again (what you just did btw) Imo. Cheers, Balazs 2014.04.28. 8:30, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org ezt írta: Thanks Philippe for the pointer. Sounds like an interesting angle, she has been hired very recently it seems? I'm looking forward to the slightly more details description on the user page that is apparently forthcoming :) Lodewijk 2014-04-28 4:39 GMT+02:00 Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org: Hi Chris, Have you approached Anna Stillwell - https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:AStillwell_(WMF) - about this? She seems a natural person to include in your discussions and thinking. Having worked with her some, I think she'll have some real insights for you. :-) pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, I've started a page on Meta which I hope will act as a hub for documentation and ideas around the training and development needs of Wikimedia movement organisations: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organisational_development I'd ask anyone who's interested in this kind of thing to have a look and add examples and thoughts for the future. As many people will know from my contributions to this year's and last year's Wikimedia conference, or from the training workshop we held in London in early March, this is an issue where I feel the movement (or, at least, the part of the movement that is involved in movement organisations!) can and should do better. I was interested to read the Signpost coverage of the Wikimedia Conference(1) which evidently comes from a similar point of view! We are slightly hampered by the fact that there is no single body responsible for doing this kind of training and development work, so I would invite everyone with a stake in this (WMF, FDC, AffCom, Chapters, Thorgs, User Groups, interested individuals) to treat this as something where everyone can play a role in sharing experience, scoping out the way forward, and building a better way of doing this for the future! Regards, Chris (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23/Special_report ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,
[Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement
Hi all, I've started a page on Meta which I hope will act as a hub for documentation and ideas around the training and development needs of Wikimedia movement organisations: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organisational_development I'd ask anyone who's interested in this kind of thing to have a look and add examples and thoughts for the future. As many people will know from my contributions to this year's and last year's Wikimedia conference, or from the training workshop we held in London in early March, this is an issue where I feel the movement (or, at least, the part of the movement that is involved in movement organisations!) can and should do better. I was interested to read the Signpost coverage of the Wikimedia Conference(1) which evidently comes from a similar point of view! We are slightly hampered by the fact that there is no single body responsible for doing this kind of training and development work, so I would invite everyone with a stake in this (WMF, FDC, AffCom, Chapters, Thorgs, User Groups, interested individuals) to treat this as something where everyone can play a role in sharing experience, scoping out the way forward, and building a better way of doing this for the future! Regards, Chris (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23/Special_report ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement
Thanks Chris. Interesting you chose to link to my unfinished peer review with WMEE, considering you asked me to halt my inter-chapter governance activities when you were the Chair of WMUK. If you think it is a good idea to allow me to finish the peer reviews I started, perhaps you should check with the board of WMUK so that I am can officially approach those involved to see if they think it would be worthwhile. Fae On 27/04/2014, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've started a page on Meta which I hope will act as a hub for documentation and ideas around the training and development needs of Wikimedia movement organisations: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organisational_development I'd ask anyone who's interested in this kind of thing to have a look and add examples and thoughts for the future. As many people will know from my contributions to this year's and last year's Wikimedia conference, or from the training workshop we held in London in early March, this is an issue where I feel the movement (or, at least, the part of the movement that is involved in movement organisations!) can and should do better. I was interested to read the Signpost coverage of the Wikimedia Conference(1) which evidently comes from a similar point of view! We are slightly hampered by the fact that there is no single body responsible for doing this kind of training and development work, so I would invite everyone with a stake in this (WMF, FDC, AffCom, Chapters, Thorgs, User Groups, interested individuals) to treat this as something where everyone can play a role in sharing experience, scoping out the way forward, and building a better way of doing this for the future! Regards, Chris (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement
Hi Chris - Thanks for starting this; it's something we need, especially going in to the next few years. I'll aim to contribute quite a bit to the page, although the bulk of my contributions may await the end of the term. It's also probably worth noting that there will be some degree of overlap between this and the WMF's program evaluation pages (although I do see an active point in having both sets of pages.) Best, Kevin Gorman On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Chris. Interesting you chose to link to my unfinished peer review with WMEE, considering you asked me to halt my inter-chapter governance activities when you were the Chair of WMUK. If you think it is a good idea to allow me to finish the peer reviews I started, perhaps you should check with the board of WMUK so that I am can officially approach those involved to see if they think it would be worthwhile. Fae On 27/04/2014, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've started a page on Meta which I hope will act as a hub for documentation and ideas around the training and development needs of Wikimedia movement organisations: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organisational_development I'd ask anyone who's interested in this kind of thing to have a look and add examples and thoughts for the future. As many people will know from my contributions to this year's and last year's Wikimedia conference, or from the training workshop we held in London in early March, this is an issue where I feel the movement (or, at least, the part of the movement that is involved in movement organisations!) can and should do better. I was interested to read the Signpost coverage of the Wikimedia Conference(1) which evidently comes from a similar point of view! We are slightly hampered by the fact that there is no single body responsible for doing this kind of training and development work, so I would invite everyone with a stake in this (WMF, FDC, AffCom, Chapters, Thorgs, User Groups, interested individuals) to treat this as something where everyone can play a role in sharing experience, scoping out the way forward, and building a better way of doing this for the future! Regards, Chris (1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
