Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement

2014-04-28 Thread Balázs Viczián
Hi Salvador, I beleive we have at least three (or more) basises for
inspiration and future success already. All started from scratches and all
of them almost completely ignored all previous attempts.

My 2 cents here is to lower the level of such ignorance as much as possible
and build them in into this proposal; at least by pointing out what to
avoid based on their failures (not to mention to learn what could work as
showed popular) to speed up the process

Balazs
2014.04.28. 19:12, Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com ezt írta:

 If a topic merge regularly only means that is an overwhelming worry that
 must be solved.

 I don't see Chris' proposal as reinventing the wheel but as a new attempt
 to give answers to an inconclude question. If past attempts have failed
 that doesn't mean that this one must do it either. Non sequitur. Even if it
 fails it can be the basis or inspiration for a future success. Remember one
 of our principles: Be bold!

 The members of AffComm are willing to support any initiative related to
 development of affiliates. Please Chris, feel comfortable asking us
 whatever you need. One of our members will follow up your efforts. Finally,
 we encourage the community to participate.


 2014-04-28 11:30 GMT-05:00 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu:

  Hi all,
 
  pls correct me if I'm wrong, but WCA was aimed to do this (and already
  collected some materials) but ultimately failed due to the fact that from
  this basic idea it was quickly developed into an uber-chapter-like
 thing,
  not to mention the other problems.
 
  Anyways, I would highly recommend to stop reinventing the wheel every
 year
  as there are at least 2 or more similar (or like-minded) initiatives from
  the past years. Plus those that I'm not aware of.
 
  Rather collect and merge them into a single proposition as there are
 plenty
  to learn from their failure than starting again (what you just did btw)
 
  Imo.
 
  Cheers, Balazs
  2014.04.28. 8:30, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org ezt írta:
 
   Thanks Philippe for the pointer. Sounds like an interesting angle, she
  has
   been hired very recently it seems? I'm looking forward to the slightly
  more
   details description on the user page that is apparently forthcoming :)
  
   Lodewijk
  
  
   2014-04-28 4:39 GMT+02:00 Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org:
  
Hi Chris,
   
Have you approached Anna Stillwell  -
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:AStillwell_(WMF) - about
  this?
 She seems a natural person to include in your discussions and
  thinking.
 Having worked with her some, I think she'll have some real insights
  for
you.  :-)
   
pb
   
   
*Philippe Beaudette * \\  Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia
Foundation, Inc.
 T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 |  phili...@wikimedia.org  |  :
@Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki
   
   
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Chris Keating
chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote:
   
 Hi all,

 I've started a page on Meta which I hope will act as a hub for
 documentation and ideas around the training and development needs
 of
 Wikimedia movement organisations:

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organisational_development

 I'd ask anyone who's interested in this kind of thing to have a
 look
   and
 add examples and thoughts for the future.

 As many people will know from my contributions to this year's and
  last
 year's Wikimedia conference, or from the training workshop we held
 in
 London in early March, this is an issue where I feel the movement
  (or,
   at
 least, the part of the movement that is involved in movement
 organisations!) can and should do better.

 I was interested to read the Signpost coverage of the Wikimedia
 Conference(1) which evidently comes from a similar point of view!

 We are slightly hampered by the fact that there is no single body
 responsible for doing this kind of training and development work,
 so
  I
 would invite everyone with a stake in this (WMF, FDC, AffCom,
  Chapters,
 Thorgs, User Groups, interested individuals) to treat this as
  something
 where everyone can play a role in sharing experience, scoping out
 the
   way
 forward, and building a better way of doing this for the future!

 Regards,

 Chris


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[Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement

2014-04-27 Thread Chris Keating
Hi all,

I've started a page on Meta which I hope will act as a hub for
documentation and ideas around the training and development needs of
Wikimedia movement organisations:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organisational_development

I'd ask anyone who's interested in this kind of thing to have a look and
add examples and thoughts for the future.

As many people will know from my contributions to this year's and last
year's Wikimedia conference, or from the training workshop we held in
London in early March, this is an issue where I feel the movement (or, at
least, the part of the movement that is involved in movement
organisations!) can and should do better.

I was interested to read the Signpost coverage of the Wikimedia
Conference(1) which evidently comes from a similar point of view!

We are slightly hampered by the fact that there is no single body
responsible for doing this kind of training and development work, so I
would invite everyone with a stake in this (WMF, FDC, AffCom, Chapters,
Thorgs, User Groups, interested individuals) to treat this as something
where everyone can play a role in sharing experience, scoping out the way
forward, and building a better way of doing this for the future!

Regards,

Chris


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement

2014-04-27 Thread
Thanks Chris.

Interesting you chose to link to my unfinished peer review with WMEE,
considering you asked me to halt my inter-chapter governance
activities when you were the Chair of WMUK. If you think it is a good
idea to allow me to finish the peer reviews I started, perhaps you
should check with the board of WMUK so that I am can officially
approach those involved to see if they think it would be worthwhile.

Fae

On 27/04/2014, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've started a page on Meta which I hope will act as a hub for
 documentation and ideas around the training and development needs of
 Wikimedia movement organisations:

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organisational_development

 I'd ask anyone who's interested in this kind of thing to have a look and
 add examples and thoughts for the future.

 As many people will know from my contributions to this year's and last
 year's Wikimedia conference, or from the training workshop we held in
 London in early March, this is an issue where I feel the movement (or, at
 least, the part of the movement that is involved in movement
 organisations!) can and should do better.

 I was interested to read the Signpost coverage of the Wikimedia
 Conference(1) which evidently comes from a similar point of view!

 We are slightly hampered by the fact that there is no single body
 responsible for doing this kind of training and development work, so I
 would invite everyone with a stake in this (WMF, FDC, AffCom, Chapters,
 Thorgs, User Groups, interested individuals) to treat this as something
 where everyone can play a role in sharing experience, scoping out the way
 forward, and building a better way of doing this for the future!

 Regards,

 Chris


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Organizational development for the Wikimedia movement

2014-04-27 Thread Kevin Gorman
Hi Chris -

Thanks for starting this; it's something we need, especially going in to
the next few years.  I'll aim to contribute quite a bit to the page,
although the bulk of my contributions may await the end of the term.  It's
also probably worth noting that there will be some degree of overlap
between this and the WMF's program evaluation pages (although I do see an
active point in having both sets of pages.)

Best,
Kevin Gorman


On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Chris.

 Interesting you chose to link to my unfinished peer review with WMEE,
 considering you asked me to halt my inter-chapter governance
 activities when you were the Chair of WMUK. If you think it is a good
 idea to allow me to finish the peer reviews I started, perhaps you
 should check with the board of WMUK so that I am can officially
 approach those involved to see if they think it would be worthwhile.

 Fae

 On 27/04/2014, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  I've started a page on Meta which I hope will act as a hub for
  documentation and ideas around the training and development needs of
  Wikimedia movement organisations:
 
  https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Organisational_development
 
  I'd ask anyone who's interested in this kind of thing to have a look and
  add examples and thoughts for the future.
 
  As many people will know from my contributions to this year's and last
  year's Wikimedia conference, or from the training workshop we held in
  London in early March, this is an issue where I feel the movement (or, at
  least, the part of the movement that is involved in movement
  organisations!) can and should do better.
 
  I was interested to read the Signpost coverage of the Wikimedia
  Conference(1) which evidently comes from a similar point of view!
 
  We are slightly hampered by the fact that there is no single body
  responsible for doing this kind of training and development work, so I
  would invite everyone with a stake in this (WMF, FDC, AffCom, Chapters,
  Thorgs, User Groups, interested individuals) to treat this as something
  where everyone can play a role in sharing experience, scoping out the way
  forward, and building a better way of doing this for the future!
 
  Regards,
 
  Chris
 
 
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