Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

After carefully reading the WMF Board of Trustees letter and evaluating the first months of existence of the WCA, Wikimedia CH wants to make the following statement: Wikimedia CH has been supporting the idea of a Chapters Council since its beginning. Our support is even stronger in these trouble

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

On 05/02/2013 15:50, Nathan wrote: I misspoke slightly; WCA fees were submitted in budget requests, but the amounts were removed from the allocations themselves[1]. Sorry for the inaccuracy there. [1]( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/FDC_recommendations/2012-2013_round1#The_WCA_and_t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

On 5 February 2013 15:30, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > On 05.02.2013 16:18, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > >> there's nothing to pick up so far. The FDC has not held any meetings since >> (obviously), and it generally operates within the mandate given by the >> Board (which makes all decisions, FDC is o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

I misspoke slightly; WCA fees were submitted in budget requests, but the amounts were removed from the allocations themselves[1]. Sorry for the inaccuracy there. [1]( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/FDC_recommendations/2012-2013_round1#The_WCA_and_the_role_of_the_FDC ). On Tue, Feb 5

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

Presumably Round 1 disbursements have already been made, which means that the chapters in receipt of funds can choose to spend them how they see fit. But I don't recall seeing plans to donate money to the WCA in funding requests to the FDC, and I suspect that since the WMF has chosen not to recogni

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

Dariusz Jemielniak, 05/02/2013 16:18: ... Is it fair to assume that the WMF will take a dim view of FDC-allocated funds being transferred to the WCA? I'm sure no chapters anticipating an FDC allocation would like to put that at risk. Would someone sitting on the FDC like to pick this one up?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > Sorry, is it possible to identify in this "strange world" the key decision > makers? > > I don't understand what you mean. The Board is responsible for all financial decisions of this sort also in terms of legal duty, it cannot cede it to a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

On 05.02.2013 16:18, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: there's nothing to pick up so far. The FDC has not held any meetings since (obviously), and it generally operates within the mandate given by the Board (which makes all decisions, FDC is only making recommendations). I Strange world that of Wikimed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

hi Fae, > ... Is it fair to assume that the WMF will take a dim view of > > FDC-allocated funds being transferred to the WCA? I'm sure no chapters > > anticipating an FDC allocation would like to put that at risk. > > Would someone sitting on the FDC like to pick this one up? > there's nothing t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

On 5 February 2013 15:05, Nathan wrote: > ... Is it fair to assume that the WMF will take a dim view of > FDC-allocated funds being transferred to the WCA? I'm sure no chapters > anticipating an FDC allocation would like to put that at risk. Would someone sitting on the FDC like to pick this one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

There are good and simple reasons for the WMF not "endorsing" the WCA. The WCA is conceived as essentially an adversarial organization, meant to compete with the WMF for resources - yet it's also apparently designed to be dependent on the WMF for funding. So now the WCA can incorporate and pursue i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

The figures that James was going from here were rejected, this was stated on the meta page in question, but I have made it a lot clearer by repeating the word 'rejected' several times in upper-case. There was a lengthy discussion about covering basic wind-up costs for the SG recruitment rather tha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

What budget are you looking at? I don't think one has been agreed yet... On 5 February 2013 12:49, James Heilman wrote: > I am glad to see the WMF taking a slow and careful look at this. My > primary question is why does this costing so much? More than half a > million is a huge sum. And what exa

[Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

I am glad to see the WMF taking a slow and careful look at this. My primary question is why does this costing so much? More than half a million is a huge sum. And what exactly do we as a movement get from this? IMO we do not need more bureaucracy but less. A $100,000 for the secretary general, to r

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

Kat Walsh, 05/02/2013 06:29: [...]we encourage comments and discussion to take place on the wiki. In this spirit, the Meta page is still waiting for an update with a summary of the discussion/outc

[Wikimedia-l] Outcome of Wikimedia board discussion on the Chapters Association

Those of you who have been following the discussion of the Chapters Association may wish to read the statement written by the WMF board at our recent meeting, which is now posted on the Meta talk page for the Association; we encourage comments and discussion to take place on the wiki. Link: https: