This conversation has very quickly veered away from the original topic and
what the scope of this list is.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:58 PM Gnangarra wrote:
> yes, when the categories termed Race, when the discussion is about
> enforcing Race as a concept.
> The traits you speak of;
Wikipedia and the Wikimedia projects should reflect the scientific
consensus, whether that be on climate, vaccines, or the concept of
The latter concept is deeply tied to 19th-century pseudoscience, and is
very different from modern genetic science. Genetic traits have various
yes, when the categories termed Race, when the discussion is about
enforcing Race as a concept.
The traits you speak of;
> hair color, aspects of bone structure, or susceptibility to certain
> diseases are heritable characteristics of certain
Are attributes of DNA and
So you don't believe that skin color, susceptibility to disease etc are
heritable? Have you heard of DNA?
I had sincerely hoped that the equivalent of yahooist book-burning wouldn't
take over Wikimedia. It's not just disappointing; it's scary.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:49 AM Chico Venancio
Are you actually saying that it is promoting biological racism to mention
the fact that, say, skin color, hair color, aspects of bone structure, or
susceptibility to certain diseases are heritable characteristics of certain
Is this some kind of practical joke you are trying to
I don't feel safe in an environment were racism is being labeled as
Maybe the list moderators should take a look at this thread.
Em ter, 16 de jun de 2020 10:42, Dennis During
> I don't feel safe presenting truths in an environment where one can
I don't feel safe presenting truths in an environment where one can be
bullied for presenting truths that are unfashionable or can be so painted.
Does the Code of Conduct cover that?
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:57 AM Fæ wrote:
> It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles
What, you are really using a Wikimedia funded email list to promote
biological racism? That's ... not acceptable behaviour.
Go read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism.
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:37, John Erling Blad wrote:
> Feel free to explain how the appearance of race
Feel free to explain how the appearance of race differences is not defined
by genetics. I have absolutely no problem accepting that people are
different, and that some people may even be better adapted to
the environment than me. ;)
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:32 PM Fæ wrote:
> No, we do not call
No, we do not call other Wikipedians "Negroid" because of their
appearance meeting a racist theory published in the 1930s.
Or were you trying to say something else, other than defending
"scientific racism" on this public list?
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:25, John Erling Blad wrote:
I'm not sure it is wise to try to refute differences between humans,
whether we call it race or something else, it is simply too easy to point
out the differences. We should rather promote that differences are a
Humans do exhibit racial differences, but those differences should not be
It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles that
actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal code
of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging
anti-educational content, or require projects to take action.
This may surprise some, but
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