[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[4nn1l2]

Trying to keep the discussion in scope, this is a direct link to the flag
in question: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Free_Palestine.svg

It does not show any statements, but the word Palestine in both Latin and
Arabic scripts.

Not sure why we should talk about slavery (a breach of basic human rights)
or what trolls do on the Chinese Wikipedia.

Some other notes:
* I'm not the only one who has this flag on their userpage, the other user
was also blocked.
* I got unblocked by another admin the day after I was blocked, but the
unblock request of the other user was declined, although expired since.
* I am thinkng about a de-adminship proposal for the blocking admin. This
incident made me mentally tired, and no good faith (and veteran) editor
should go through this again.

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 18:40 William Chan  wrote:

> The Chinese issue: I don't see the Chinese community of any hope
> considering the mainland Chinese community is now basically a rotten Apple,
> with acts of stalking against Hong Kong and Taiwan editors, plus history
> revisionism being carried out within articles by mainland editors ans
> tolerated by admins of the same region, while, at the same time, manipulate
> local community discussion and opinion when such acts are brought into open
> discussion.
>
> Of course this won't get discussed as the scale is too large for even Hong
> Kong and Taurean editors to properly draft something for the wider movement
> to access (plus the Orwellian security law stomped on Hong Kong editors
> last year) (plus the hostility of those editors).
>
> 
>
> Oh and back to the issue: in Chinese Wikipedia, there's a requirement to
> only state your opinion regarding one matter once if you want so, and some
> pro-CCP editors from China basically manipulate such thing and wrote one
> whole page of statements opposing things such as them opposing Hong Kong
> independence (once), another one about Taiwan independence (etc),
> highlighted in deep red and make it so appeaeant with other font modifiers.
>
> So basically, if you want to troll in user pages (not staying the original
> person doing so), there are numerous loopholes that, if editors are in good
> faith, would not have even thought of even if they are pretending to be
> violators. 💁
>
> William.
>
> On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 21:36, Gnangarra  wrote:
>
>> lots of basic human rights are being trampled on everyday, its not
>> uncommon for mainland chinese editors who report on behalf of
>> communities from Taiwan and Hong Kong yet they never get challenged for
>> doing so on movement lists.
>>
>> So where is the line,  can it ever be a very finely detail or will it
>> always be big, grey, and fuzzy.
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 21:26, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
>> galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Friendly reminder: Slavery is against human rights.
>>> --
>>> *From:* Yaroslav Blanter 
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 2, 2021 2:22 PM
>>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
>>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag
>>>
>>> I do not know. Whoever puts a userbox "I support slavery" on their user
>>> page on the English Wikipedia invites a fast block does not matter what
>>> their edits in the articles are.
>>>
>>> I do not think there is a universal answer to this question.
>>>
>>> Yaroslav
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 1:31 PM Satdeep Gill 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> But was there something in the editing. People should be free to say
>>> FREE TIBET in their user pages, for instance but can be really reasonable
>>> editors.
>>>
>>> In a way, we are also unbiased and neutral point of view is something we
>>> all look upto but can never trully achieve.
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Satdeep
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 4:57 PM Peter Southwood <
>>> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> The problem is which political opinions would be acceptable on a user
>>> page, and who gets to decide this. We are expected to edit neutrally, so
>>> expressing a political opinion on a user page could be  considered a
>>> declaration of partisanship which could extend to editing behaviour.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Frederick Noronha [mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* 30 June 2021 00:57
>>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List
>>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[Frederick Noronha]

This is problematic at very many levels:
* Are we policing intent or actual wrongdoing -- i.e. bias in actual edits?
* Is there something wrong in me aspiring for some political entity (which
doesn't exist currently) or does it become wrong only when my bias actually
shows in my editing?
* If the former case, isn't this some form of Thought Policing?
* Should we also not ban all forms of affiliations to religion,
nationality, gender (her/his/its) or race and skin colour, as these also
reflect some or the other bias?
* Someone said slavery is against human rights. Well, I don't think this
was always the situation, and that was precisely my point. Human standards
keep changing It was a perfectly fine business at one point of time, as
was selling opium to China.
* Well, nobody would object to "Free Tibet", because that is seen as a
politically correct cause in today's unipolar world. If the Chinese were at
the helm of a unipolar world, I'm sure we would all be thinking
differently. Especially me!
Let's keep some space for diversity, please. As some person said, let a
thousand flowers bloom! FN
PS: Above all, those who want to whisper into our ears as to what's wrong
with this user or  his/her actions, can't we have this discussion under the
glare of public scrutiny and accountability?

On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 16:57, Peter Southwood 
wrote:

> The problem is which political opinions would be acceptable on a user
> page, and who gets to decide this. We are expected to edit neutrally, so
> expressing a political opinion on a user page could be  considered a
> declaration of partisanship which could extend to editing behaviour.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> *From:* Frederick Noronha [mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 30 June 2021 00:57
> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List
> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag
>
>
>
> Just seeking clarity:
>
> Is there anything wrong with expressing a political opinion on a userpage?
>
> A lot of our badges, flags, icons might have some or the other political
> history behind them, just that these are seen as more "normal" by today's
> standards. At one time, slavery too was considered quite legal.
>

On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 18:56, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Friendly reminder: Slavery is against human rights.
> --------------
> *From:* Yaroslav Blanter 
> *Sent:* Friday, July 2, 2021 2:22 PM
> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag
>
> I do not know. Whoever puts a userbox "I support slavery" on their user
> page on the English Wikipedia invites a fast block does not matter what
> their edits in the articles are.
>
> I do not think there is a universal answer to this question.
>
> Yaroslav
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 1:31 PM Satdeep Gill  wrote:
>
> But was there something in the editing. People should be free to say FREE
> TIBET in their user pages, for instance but can be really reasonable
> editors.
>
> In a way, we are also unbiased and neutral point of view is something we
> all look upto but can never trully achieve.
>
> Best
> Satdeep
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 4:57 PM Peter Southwood 
> wrote:
>
> The problem is which political opinions would be acceptable on a user
> page, and who gets to decide this. We are expected to edit neutrally, so
> expressing a political opinion on a user page could be  considered a
> declaration of partisanship which could extend to editing behaviour.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> *From:* Frederick Noronha [mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 30 June 2021 00:57
> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List
> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag
>
>
>
> Just seeking clarity:
>
> Is there anything wrong with expressing a political opinion on a userpage?
>
> A lot of our badges, flags, icons might have some or the other political
> history behind them, just that these are seen as more "normal" by today's
> standards. At one time, slavery too was considered quite legal.
>
> Can't this be discussed in the public domain?
>
> FN
>
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 03:34, Gereon Kalkuhl  wrote:
>
> Dear 4nn1|2,
>
> Thank you for informing us about the incident. But to be clear: You write
> that it's about a Palestinian flag. Yet actually it's about a flag with a
> statement: free Palestine. There's a difference. And a member of the
> Persian Wikipedia removed the deletion request on Commons and kept the file
> on the same day. I'm not judging anything here, but please be more precise
> in you

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[William Chan]

The Chinese issue: I don't see the Chinese community of any hope
considering the mainland Chinese community is now basically a rotten Apple,
with acts of stalking against Hong Kong and Taiwan editors, plus history
revisionism being carried out within articles by mainland editors ans
tolerated by admins of the same region, while, at the same time, manipulate
local community discussion and opinion when such acts are brought into open
discussion.

Of course this won't get discussed as the scale is too large for even Hong
Kong and Taurean editors to properly draft something for the wider movement
to access (plus the Orwellian security law stomped on Hong Kong editors
last year) (plus the hostility of those editors).



Oh and back to the issue: in Chinese Wikipedia, there's a requirement to
only state your opinion regarding one matter once if you want so, and some
pro-CCP editors from China basically manipulate such thing and wrote one
whole page of statements opposing things such as them opposing Hong Kong
independence (once), another one about Taiwan independence (etc),
highlighted in deep red and make it so appeaeant with other font modifiers.

So basically, if you want to troll in user pages (not staying the original
person doing so), there are numerous loopholes that, if editors are in good
faith, would not have even thought of even if they are pretending to be
violators. 💁

William.

On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 21:36, Gnangarra  wrote:

> lots of basic human rights are being trampled on everyday, its not
> uncommon for mainland chinese editors who report on behalf of communities
> from Taiwan and Hong Kong yet they never get challenged for doing so on
> movement lists.
>
> So where is the line,  can it ever be a very finely detail or will it
> always be big, grey, and fuzzy.
>
> On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 21:26, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
> galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Friendly reminder: Slavery is against human rights.
>> --
>> *From:* Yaroslav Blanter 
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 2, 2021 2:22 PM
>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag
>>
>> I do not know. Whoever puts a userbox "I support slavery" on their user
>> page on the English Wikipedia invites a fast block does not matter what
>> their edits in the articles are.
>>
>> I do not think there is a universal answer to this question.
>>
>> Yaroslav
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 1:31 PM Satdeep Gill 
>> wrote:
>>
>> But was there something in the editing. People should be free to say FREE
>> TIBET in their user pages, for instance but can be really reasonable
>> editors.
>>
>> In a way, we are also unbiased and neutral point of view is something we
>> all look upto but can never trully achieve.
>>
>> Best
>> Satdeep
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 4:57 PM Peter Southwood <
>> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>
>> The problem is which political opinions would be acceptable on a user
>> page, and who gets to decide this. We are expected to edit neutrally, so
>> expressing a political opinion on a user page could be  considered a
>> declaration of partisanship which could extend to editing behaviour.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Frederick Noronha [mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* 30 June 2021 00:57
>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List
>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag
>>
>>
>>
>> Just seeking clarity:
>>
>> Is there anything wrong with expressing a political opinion on a
>> userpage?
>>
>> A lot of our badges, flags, icons might have some or the other political
>> history behind them, just that these are seen as more "normal" by today's
>> standards. At one time, slavery too was considered quite legal.
>>
>> Can't this be discussed in the public domain?
>>
>> FN
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 03:34, Gereon Kalkuhl  wrote:
>>
>> Dear 4nn1|2,
>>
>> Thank you for informing us about the incident. But to be clear: You write
>> that it's about a Palestinian flag. Yet actually it's about a flag with a
>> statement: free Palestine. There's a difference. And a member of the
>> Persian Wikipedia removed the deletion request on Commons and kept the file
>> on the same day. I'm not judging anything here, but please be more precise
>> in your accusations.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Gereon
>>
>> Am 29.06.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Amir Sarabadani:
>

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[Gnangarra]

lots of basic human rights are being trampled on everyday, its not uncommon
for mainland chinese editors who report on behalf of communities from
Taiwan and Hong Kong yet they never get challenged for doing so on movement
lists.

So where is the line,  can it ever be a very finely detail or will it
always be big, grey, and fuzzy.

On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 21:26, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga <
galder...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Friendly reminder: Slavery is against human rights.
> --
> *From:* Yaroslav Blanter 
> *Sent:* Friday, July 2, 2021 2:22 PM
> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List 
> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag
>
> I do not know. Whoever puts a userbox "I support slavery" on their user
> page on the English Wikipedia invites a fast block does not matter what
> their edits in the articles are.
>
> I do not think there is a universal answer to this question.
>
> Yaroslav
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 1:31 PM Satdeep Gill  wrote:
>
> But was there something in the editing. People should be free to say FREE
> TIBET in their user pages, for instance but can be really reasonable
> editors.
>
> In a way, we are also unbiased and neutral point of view is something we
> all look upto but can never trully achieve.
>
> Best
> Satdeep
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 4:57 PM Peter Southwood 
> wrote:
>
> The problem is which political opinions would be acceptable on a user
> page, and who gets to decide this. We are expected to edit neutrally, so
> expressing a political opinion on a user page could be  considered a
> declaration of partisanship which could extend to editing behaviour.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> *From:* Frederick Noronha [mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 30 June 2021 00:57
> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List
> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag
>
>
>
> Just seeking clarity:
>
> Is there anything wrong with expressing a political opinion on a userpage?
>
> A lot of our badges, flags, icons might have some or the other political
> history behind them, just that these are seen as more "normal" by today's
> standards. At one time, slavery too was considered quite legal.
>
> Can't this be discussed in the public domain?
>
> FN
>
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 03:34, Gereon Kalkuhl  wrote:
>
> Dear 4nn1|2,
>
> Thank you for informing us about the incident. But to be clear: You write
> that it's about a Palestinian flag. Yet actually it's about a flag with a
> statement: free Palestine. There's a difference. And a member of the
> Persian Wikipedia removed the deletion request on Commons and kept the file
> on the same day. I'm not judging anything here, but please be more precise
> in your accusations.
>
> Thank you,
> Gereon
>
> Am 29.06.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Amir Sarabadani:
>
> If anyone is interested to know about this incident. Send me a private
> message and I can explain better.
>
>
>
> Best
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:17 PM 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Wikimedians,
>
>
>
> Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and nonesense
> adminship. They have blocked me for placing a Palestinian flag on my
> userpage (of course they have already removed it from my userpage and you
> need to see a previous revision of my userpage).
>
>
>
>
> https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2&oldid=32191672
>
>
>
> Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons!
>
>
>
> I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is managed.
> They block users for the most friviolous reasons.
>
>
>
> What does this mean?
>
>
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
> User:4nn1l2
>
>
>
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga]

Friendly reminder: Slavery is against human rights.

From: Yaroslav Blanter 
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 2:22 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List 
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

I do not know. Whoever puts a userbox "I support slavery" on their user page on 
the English Wikipedia invites a fast block does not matter what their edits in 
the articles are.

I do not think there is a universal answer to this question.

Yaroslav

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 1:31 PM Satdeep Gill 
mailto:satdeepg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
But was there something in the editing. People should be free to say FREE TIBET 
in their user pages, for instance but can be really reasonable editors.

In a way, we are also unbiased and neutral point of view is something we all 
look upto but can never trully achieve.

Best
Satdeep

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 4:57 PM Peter Southwood 
mailto:peter.southw...@telkomsa.net>> wrote:

The problem is which political opinions would be acceptable on a user page, and 
who gets to decide this. We are expected to edit neutrally, so expressing a 
political opinion on a user page could be  considered a declaration of 
partisanship which could extend to editing behaviour.

Cheers,

Peter



From: Frederick Noronha 
[mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com<mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com>]
Sent: 30 June 2021 00:57
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag



Just seeking clarity:

Is there anything wrong with expressing a political opinion on a userpage?

A lot of our badges, flags, icons might have some or the other political 
history behind them, just that these are seen as more "normal" by today's 
standards. At one time, slavery too was considered quite legal.

Can't this be discussed in the public domain?

FN



On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 03:34, Gereon Kalkuhl 
mailto:gkalk...@freenet.de>> wrote:

Dear 4nn1|2,

Thank you for informing us about the incident. But to be clear: You write that 
it's about a Palestinian flag. Yet actually it's about a flag with a statement: 
free Palestine. There's a difference. And a member of the Persian Wikipedia 
removed the deletion request on Commons and kept the file on the same day. I'm 
not judging anything here, but please be more precise in your accusations.

Thank you,
Gereon

Am 29.06.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Amir Sarabadani:

If anyone is interested to know about this incident. Send me a private message 
and I can explain better.



Best



On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:17 PM 4nn1l2 
<4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com<mailto:4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear Wikimedians,



Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and nonesense 
adminship. They have blocked me for placing a Palestinian flag on my userpage 
(of course they have already removed it from my userpage and you need to see a 
previous revision of my userpage).



https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2&oldid=32191672



Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons!



I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is managed. They 
block users for the most friviolous reasons.



What does this mean?



Yours faithfully,

User:4nn1l2





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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[Yaroslav Blanter]

I do not know. Whoever puts a userbox "I support slavery" on their user
page on the English Wikipedia invites a fast block does not matter what
their edits in the articles are.

I do not think there is a universal answer to this question.

Yaroslav

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021 at 1:31 PM Satdeep Gill  wrote:

> But was there something in the editing. People should be free to say FREE
> TIBET in their user pages, for instance but can be really reasonable
> editors.
>
> In a way, we are also unbiased and neutral point of view is something we
> all look upto but can never trully achieve.
>
> Best
> Satdeep
>
> On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 4:57 PM Peter Southwood 
> wrote:
>
>> The problem is which political opinions would be acceptable on a user
>> page, and who gets to decide this. We are expected to edit neutrally, so
>> expressing a political opinion on a user page could be  considered a
>> declaration of partisanship which could extend to editing behaviour.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Frederick Noronha [mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* 30 June 2021 00:57
>> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List
>> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag
>>
>>
>>
>> Just seeking clarity:
>>
>> Is there anything wrong with expressing a political opinion on a
>> userpage?
>>
>> A lot of our badges, flags, icons might have some or the other political
>> history behind them, just that these are seen as more "normal" by today's
>> standards. At one time, slavery too was considered quite legal.
>>
>> Can't this be discussed in the public domain?
>>
>> FN
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 03:34, Gereon Kalkuhl  wrote:
>>
>> Dear 4nn1|2,
>>
>> Thank you for informing us about the incident. But to be clear: You write
>> that it's about a Palestinian flag. Yet actually it's about a flag with a
>> statement: free Palestine. There's a difference. And a member of the
>> Persian Wikipedia removed the deletion request on Commons and kept the file
>> on the same day. I'm not judging anything here, but please be more precise
>> in your accusations.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Gereon
>>
>> Am 29.06.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Amir Sarabadani:
>>
>> If anyone is interested to know about this incident. Send me a private
>> message and I can explain better.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:17 PM 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>
>>
>>
>> Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and
>> nonesense adminship. They have blocked me for placing a Palestinian flag on
>> my userpage (of course they have already removed it from my userpage and
>> you need to see a previous revision of my userpage).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2&oldid=32191672
>>
>>
>>
>> Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons!
>>
>>
>>
>> I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is managed.
>> They block users for the most friviolous reasons.
>>
>>
>>
>> What does this mean?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yours faithfully,
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[Satdeep Gill]

But was there something in the editing. People should be free to say FREE
TIBET in their user pages, for instance but can be really reasonable
editors.

In a way, we are also unbiased and neutral point of view is something we
all look upto but can never trully achieve.

Best
Satdeep

On Fri, Jul 2, 2021, 4:57 PM Peter Southwood 
wrote:

> The problem is which political opinions would be acceptable on a user
> page, and who gets to decide this. We are expected to edit neutrally, so
> expressing a political opinion on a user page could be  considered a
> declaration of partisanship which could extend to editing behaviour.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> *From:* Frederick Noronha [mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 30 June 2021 00:57
> *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List
> *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag
>
>
>
> Just seeking clarity:
>
> Is there anything wrong with expressing a political opinion on a userpage?
>
> A lot of our badges, flags, icons might have some or the other political
> history behind them, just that these are seen as more "normal" by today's
> standards. At one time, slavery too was considered quite legal.
>
> Can't this be discussed in the public domain?
>
> FN
>
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 03:34, Gereon Kalkuhl  wrote:
>
> Dear 4nn1|2,
>
> Thank you for informing us about the incident. But to be clear: You write
> that it's about a Palestinian flag. Yet actually it's about a flag with a
> statement: free Palestine. There's a difference. And a member of the
> Persian Wikipedia removed the deletion request on Commons and kept the file
> on the same day. I'm not judging anything here, but please be more precise
> in your accusations.
>
> Thank you,
> Gereon
>
> Am 29.06.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Amir Sarabadani:
>
> If anyone is interested to know about this incident. Send me a private
> message and I can explain better.
>
>
>
> Best
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:17 PM 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Wikimedians,
>
>
>
> Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and nonesense
> adminship. They have blocked me for placing a Palestinian flag on my
> userpage (of course they have already removed it from my userpage and you
> need to see a previous revision of my userpage).
>
>
>
>
> https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2&oldid=32191672
>
>
>
> Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons!
>
>
>
> I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is managed.
> They block users for the most friviolous reasons.
>
>
>
> What does this mean?
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>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[Peter Southwood]

The problem is which political opinions would be acceptable on a user page, and 
who gets to decide this. We are expected to edit neutrally, so expressing a 
political opinion on a user page could be  considered a declaration of 
partisanship which could extend to editing behaviour.  

Cheers,

Peter

 

From: Frederick Noronha [mailto:fredericknoro...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 30 June 2021 00:57
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

 

Just seeking clarity:

Is there anything wrong with expressing a political opinion on a userpage? 

A lot of our badges, flags, icons might have some or the other political 
history behind them, just that these are seen as more "normal" by today's 
standards. At one time, slavery too was considered quite legal.

Can't this be discussed in the public domain?

FN

 

On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 03:34, Gereon Kalkuhl  wrote:

Dear 4nn1|2,

Thank you for informing us about the incident. But to be clear: You write that 
it's about a Palestinian flag. Yet actually it's about a flag with a statement: 
free Palestine. There's a difference. And a member of the Persian Wikipedia 
removed the deletion request on Commons and kept the file on the same day. I'm 
not judging anything here, but please be more precise in your accusations.

Thank you,
Gereon

Am 29.06.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Amir Sarabadani:

If anyone is interested to know about this incident. Send me a private message 
and I can explain better.

 

Best

 

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:17 PM 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Wikimedians, 

 

Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and nonesense 
adminship. They have blocked me for placing a Palestinian flag on my userpage 
(of course they have already removed it from my userpage and you need to see a 
previous revision of my userpage).

 

https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2
 
<https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2&oldid=32191672>
 &oldid=32191672

 

Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons!

 

I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is managed. They 
block users for the most friviolous reasons.

 

What does this mean?

 

Yours faithfully,

User:4nn1l2

 

 

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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[مفتاح المعرفة]

The name of the file is free Palestine but the picture is just the flag of
the country without any political aspects. Even though I don't find
anything wrong in adding a political point of view to a userpage. Best



في الأربعاء، ٣٠ حزيران، ٢٠٢١ ١:٠٤ ص Gereon Kalkuhl 
كتب:

> Dear 4nn1|2,
>
> Thank you for informing us about the incident. But to be clear: You write
> that it's about a Palestinian flag. Yet actually it's about a flag with a
> statement: free Palestine. There's a difference. And a member of the
> Persian Wikipedia removed the deletion request on Commons and kept the file
> on the same day. I'm not judging anything here, but please be more precise
> in your accusations.
>
> Thank you,
> Gereon
>
> Am 29.06.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Amir Sarabadani:
>
> If anyone is interested to know about this incident. Send me a private
> message and I can explain better.
>
> Best
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:17 PM 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>
>> Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and
>> nonesense adminship. They have blocked me for placing a Palestinian flag on
>> my userpage (of course they have already removed it from my userpage and
>> you need to see a previous revision of my userpage).
>>
>>
>> https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2&oldid=32191672
>>
>> Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons!
>>
>> I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is managed.
>> They block users for the most friviolous reasons.
>>
>> What does this mean?
>>
>> Yours faithfully,
>> User:4nn1l2
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[Frederick Noronha]

Just seeking clarity:
Is there anything wrong with expressing a political opinion on a userpage?
A lot of our badges, flags, icons might have some or the other political
history behind them, just that these are seen as more "normal" by today's
standards. At one time, slavery too was considered quite legal.
Can't this be discussed in the public domain?
FN

On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 at 03:34, Gereon Kalkuhl  wrote:

> Dear 4nn1|2,
>
> Thank you for informing us about the incident. But to be clear: You write
> that it's about a Palestinian flag. Yet actually it's about a flag with a
> statement: free Palestine. There's a difference. And a member of the
> Persian Wikipedia removed the deletion request on Commons and kept the file
> on the same day. I'm not judging anything here, but please be more precise
> in your accusations.
>
> Thank you,
> Gereon
>
> Am 29.06.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Amir Sarabadani:
>
> If anyone is interested to know about this incident. Send me a private
> message and I can explain better.
>
> Best
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:17 PM 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Wikimedians,
>>
>> Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and
>> nonesense adminship. They have blocked me for placing a Palestinian flag on
>> my userpage (of course they have already removed it from my userpage and
>> you need to see a previous revision of my userpage).
>>
>>
>> https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2&oldid=32191672
>>
>> Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons!
>>
>> I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is managed.
>> They block users for the most friviolous reasons.
>>
>> What does this mean?
>>
>> Yours faithfully,
>> User:4nn1l2
>>
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[Gereon Kalkuhl]

Dear 4nn1|2,

Thank you for informing us about the incident. But to be clear: You 
write that it's about a Palestinian flag. Yet actually it's about a flag 
with a statement: free Palestine. There's a difference. And a member of 
the Persian Wikipedia removed the deletion request on Commons and kept 
the file on the same day. I'm not judging anything here, but please be 
more precise in your accusations.


Thank you,
Gereon

Am 29.06.2021 um 20:34 schrieb Amir Sarabadani:
If anyone is interested to know about this incident. Send me a private 
message and I can explain better.


Best

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:17 PM 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com 
> wrote:


Dear Wikimedians,

Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and
nonesense adminship. They have blocked me for placing a
Palestinian flag on my userpage (of course they have already
removed it from my userpage and you need to see a previous
revision of my userpage).


https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2&oldid=32191672



Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons!

I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is
managed. They block users for the most friviolous reasons.

What does this mean?

Yours faithfully,
User:4nn1l2


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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Blocking users for Palestinian flag

[Amir Sarabadani]

If anyone is interested to know about this incident. Send me a private
message and I can explain better.

Best

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:17 PM 4nn1l2 <4nn1l2.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> Persian Wikipedia has reached a new level in their arbitrary and nonesense
> adminship. They have blocked me for placing a Palestinian flag on my
> userpage (of course they have already removed it from my userpage and you
> need to see a previous revision of my userpage).
>
>
> https://fa.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%B1:4nn1l2&oldid=32191672
>
> Another user has nominated the file for deletion on Commons!
>
> I am admin on Commons myself and I'm fed up with how fawiki is managed.
> They block users for the most friviolous reasons.
>
> What does this mean?
>
> Yours faithfully,
> User:4nn1l2
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