[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 4:04 PM James Heilman wrote: > There are Wikis that have "succeeded" with IP editing turned off with > some being WikEM and Eyewiki > > Additionally PT Wikipedia banned IP editing in 2020 > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-11-01/News_and_notes > > Not sure how the later is going. > > James These are all good examples of how we can’t take a “one size fits all” approach when thinking about editing policies and features. The study of the effects of no IP editing strongly reiterated this conclusion based on the data: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IP_Editing:_Privacy_Enhancement_and_Abuse_Mitigation/IP_Editing_Restriction_Study/Portuguese_Wikipedia Portuguese Wikipedia is largely dominated by Brazilians. Brazil has some of the highest social media use per capital in the world, so part of the underlying reality is that PT Wikipedia users are probably unusually willing to sign up for new services. This probably explains why in Portuguese making people sign up didn’t result in fewer unreverted edits, whereas when we tried even *suggesting* IP editors should sign up in other wikis, it didn’t work: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Value_of_IP_Editing#Past_trials_of_this_idea_were_damaging For starting a new general knowledge wiki, it’s a terrible idea to require registration if you want to actually grow. > > On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 11:52 PM WereSpielChequers > wrote: > > > > Yesterday they had less than a hundred edits from just 6 individuals. > The English language Wikipedia had around 150,000 edits. Justapedia needs a > much bigger community for it to become more than a mirror. > > > > They've switched off IP editing, one of the mistakes citizendium made, > so unless they relaunch themselves as the home of alternative medicine and > alternative facts, I agree with Galder, they are unlikely to succeed. > > > > > > > > WSC > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < > galder...@hotmail.com> ha scritto: > >> > >> The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation > = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply > that they actually think that. > >> > >> > >> > >> Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion. > >> > >> > >> > >> Galder > >> > >> > >> > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/X7Z37EQNKLULOAL5N46RWE2UJMUWUVH6/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > -- > James Heilman > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/KGYFOJJHDP7BQAUACEBO6DQWM5XHZKIV/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/IURNC3WJYQ6ZB7OQ2NOR6OXNLR5E43HG/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
There are Wikis that have "succeeded" with IP editing turned off with some being WikEM and Eyewiki Additionally PT Wikipedia banned IP editing in 2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2020-11-01/News_and_notes Not sure how the later is going. James On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 11:52 PM WereSpielChequers wrote: > > Yesterday they had less than a hundred edits from just 6 individuals. The > English language Wikipedia had around 150,000 edits. Justapedia needs a much > bigger community for it to become more than a mirror. > > They've switched off IP editing, one of the mistakes citizendium made, so > unless they relaunch themselves as the home of alternative medicine and > alternative facts, I agree with Galder, they are unlikely to succeed. > > > > WSC > > >> >> >> >> >> Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga >> ha scritto: >> >> The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation = >> Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply >> that they actually think that. >> >> >> >> Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion. >> >> >> >> Galder >> >> >> > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/X7Z37EQNKLULOAL5N46RWE2UJMUWUVH6/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/KGYFOJJHDP7BQAUACEBO6DQWM5XHZKIV/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
Yesterday they had less than a hundred edits from just 6 individuals. The English language Wikipedia had around 150,000 edits. Justapedia needs a much bigger community for it to become more than a mirror. They've switched off IP editing, one of the mistakes citizendium made, so unless they relaunch themselves as the home of alternative medicine and alternative facts, I agree with Galder, they are unlikely to succeed. WSC > > > > Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < > galder...@hotmail.com> ha scritto: > > The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation = > Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply > that they actually think that. > > > > Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion. > > > > Galder > > > > ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/X7Z37EQNKLULOAL5N46RWE2UJMUWUVH6/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
Complaints about politics are business as usual. When we stop getting complaints about politics is the time to worry, because we will have become irrelevant. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Lauren Worden [mailto:laurenworde...@gmail.com] Sent: 12 September 2023 00:43 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia bias I can find on https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions. Perhaps Atsme can clarify? -LW On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, > wrote: > >> Justapedia > > > It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows "disinformation" > and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" > suggests. > > But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly: > > "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions regarding > the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve > content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a > high level, native understanding of written English" > >> Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...] > > > Oh, please. Do better than that. > > > [1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png > > [2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7W7MOK6DIXWW2EDSGEZLBW7EMO3VTJB3/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ZPURICMWJV5FKR4EKQEMTD2J3DSJUFOA/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/MX6K3JLBHIP2JFTGMFD6S5YHGE436FDN/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
Maybe it is not intended to be a Venn diagram, but just looks like one. Cheers, Peter From: Vi to [mailto:vituzzu.w...@gmail.com] Sent: 12 September 2023 09:51 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda. Vito Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga ha scritto: The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply that they actually think that. Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion. Galder _ From: Lauren Worden Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia bias I can find on https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions. Perhaps Atsme can clarify? -LW On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, > wrote: > >> Justapedia > > > It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows "disinformation" > and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" > suggests. > > But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly: > > "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions regarding > the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve > content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a > high level, native understanding of written English" > >> Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...] > > > Oh, please. Do better than that. > > > [1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png > > [2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7W7MOK6DIXWW2EDSGEZLBW7EMO3VTJB3/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ZPURICMWJV5FKR4EKQEMTD2J3DSJUFOA/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/U6EHCOOQX2SSQJTVDIASE747GQDVHLET/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> Virus-free. <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient> www.avg.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/555NK3JME6JTUQGM7TXS52J4F6UP7WEU/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
Aside from the whole idea of a neutrality policy that thinks Wikipedia wasn't neutral on either Climate Change or Covid19, and a board that is 60% founders votes rather than the 9% of the WMF. Justapedia doesn't want breaking news of anything that has happened in the last 7 days. https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation#About My prediction is that if the site does get any traction, and there are millions of antivaxxers and climate change deniers who might well prefer it to Wikipedia, the 7 day thing will bite them hard. When famous people die, Wikipedia gets extra visitors to those pages. If Justapedia had been around at the time of Michael Jackson's death, or of Osama Bin Laden's, this policy alone would have led to conflict, or been quickly abandoned. Here in the UK there will be a General Election in the next 17 months, a large number of Wikipedia articles will be updated very quickly with the results, probably including a new Prime minister. If Justapedia is still around for the next UK General Election, and if it has taken even 1% of Wikipedia's audience and community, then either this policy will be abandoned or the people who enforce it will have to revert loads of edits by newbies. Justapedia may not want "thought police" and may aspire to be collegial "The Justapedia Foundation firmly believes in maintaining a collegial environment for our volunteers" https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation#Community but this policy alone will make them a non collegial place, even if they succeed in recruiting a community of people who share their views on Climate Change and Covid19. I'm aware that there are deep tensions within our community, and not just between the on and off wiki components. I wasn't surprised to see a new fork come forth, and if the intent, remit and design had been different then I might well have created an account there and at the least had a foot in both camps. As it is, I can't see Justapedia becoming something I would like to donate my time to. But then I doubt they'd want me anyway given that I accept the science on Climate Change and Covid19.. WSC > > > -- > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 12:00:44 +0100 > From: David Gerard > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Message-ID: > < > caj0tu1e48s9llt-guphkps0dryirnleeen0fapeslqkcj7d...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > what do you expect from an encyclopedia founded by world-famous > communist Jimmy Wales > > -d. > > On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 08:52, Vi to wrote: > > > > Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda. > > > > Vito > > > > Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < > galder...@hotmail.com> ha scritto: > >> > >> The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation > = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply > that they actually think that. > >> > >> Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion. > >> > >> Galder > >> > >> From: Lauren Worden > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM > >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List > >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia > >> > >> The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia > >> bias I can find on > >> https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are > >> climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think > >> Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions. > >> > >> Perhaps Atsme can clarify? > >> > >> -LW > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett > wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, < > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Justapedia > >> > > >> > > >> > It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows > "disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in > determining "truth" suggests. > >> > > >> > But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly: > >> > > >> > "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions > regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve > to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are > required to have a high l
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
Good question. This is pretty incredible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cm7VeHKPGIk` - Justapedia: Preserving and Protecting True History "our mission is to maintain and preserve history" Doug Weller English Wikipedia administrator/CheckUser/Oversight Member of the Arbitration Committee 2015-2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Weller On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 3:01 PM Civvì wrote: > Is this small text (linking the original article) "This page may contain > content developed from Wikipedia > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhyssomatus%20lineaticollis> or Meta > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/>." in the footer, enough to comply with the > CC BY-SA requirements? > shouldn't the link be in the article itself somewhere? > > Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 13:01 David Gerard > ha scritto: > >> what do you expect from an encyclopedia founded by world-famous >> communist Jimmy Wales >> >> -d. >> >> On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 08:52, Vi to wrote: >> > >> > Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda. >> > >> > Vito >> > >> > Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < >> galder...@hotmail.com> ha scritto: >> >> >> >> The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + >> Disinformation = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn >> diagram is, or simply that they actually think that. >> >> >> >> Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into >> oblivion. >> >> >> >> Galder >> >> >> >> From: Lauren Worden >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM >> >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List >> >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia >> >> >> >> The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia >> >> bias I can find on >> >> https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are >> >> climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think >> >> Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions. >> >> >> >> Perhaps Atsme can clarify? >> >> >> >> -LW >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett < >> a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, < >> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Justapedia >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows >> "disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in >> determining "truth" suggests. >> >> > >> >> > But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly: >> >> > >> >> > "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions >> regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve >> to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are >> required to have a high level, native understanding of written English" >> >> > >> >> >> Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Oh, please. Do better than that. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > [1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png >> >> > >> >> > [2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board >> >> > >> >> > ___ >> >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> >> > Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7W7MOK6DIXWW2EDSGEZLBW7EMO3VTJB3/ >> >> > To unsubscribe send an email to >> wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> ___ >> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
Is this small text (linking the original article) "This page may contain content developed from Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhyssomatus%20lineaticollis> or Meta <https://meta.wikimedia.org/>." in the footer, enough to comply with the CC BY-SA requirements? shouldn't the link be in the article itself somewhere? Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 13:01 David Gerard ha scritto: > what do you expect from an encyclopedia founded by world-famous > communist Jimmy Wales > > -d. > > On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 08:52, Vi to wrote: > > > > Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda. > > > > Vito > > > > Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < > galder...@hotmail.com> ha scritto: > >> > >> The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation > = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply > that they actually think that. > >> > >> Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion. > >> > >> Galder > >> ____________ > >> From: Lauren Worden > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM > >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List > >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia > >> > >> The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia > >> bias I can find on > >> https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are > >> climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think > >> Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions. > >> > >> Perhaps Atsme can clarify? > >> > >> -LW > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett > wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, < > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Justapedia > >> > > >> > > >> > It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows > "disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in > determining "truth" suggests. > >> > > >> > But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly: > >> > > >> > "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions > regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve > to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are > required to have a high level, native understanding of written English" > >> > > >> >> Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...] > >> > > >> > > >> > Oh, please. Do better than that. > >> > > >> > > >> > [1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png > >> > > >> > [2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, > guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7W7MOK6DIXWW2EDSGEZLBW7EMO3VTJB3/ > >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> ___ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, > guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ZPURICMWJV5FKR4EKQEMTD2J3DSJUFOA/ > >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> ___ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, > guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/U6EHCOOQX2SSQJTVDIASE747GQDVHLET/ > >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > ___ > > Wikim
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
Can anyone find any members of the boards besides Atsme? Doug Weller English Wikipedia administrator/CheckUser/Oversight Member of the Arbitration Committee 2015-2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Weller On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 7:15 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder...@hotmail.com> wrote: > The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation = > Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply > that they actually think that. > > Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion. > > Galder > -- > *From:* Lauren Worden > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM > *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List > *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia > > The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia > bias I can find on > https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are > climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think > Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions. > > Perhaps Atsme can clarify? > > -LW > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, < > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > >> Justapedia > > > > > > It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows > "disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in > determining "truth" suggests. > > > > But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly: > > > > "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions > regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve > to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are > required to have a high level, native understanding of written English" > > > >> Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...] > > > > > > Oh, please. Do better than that. > > > > > > [1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png > > > > [2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7W7MOK6DIXWW2EDSGEZLBW7EMO3VTJB3/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ZPURICMWJV5FKR4EKQEMTD2J3DSJUFOA/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/U6EHCOOQX2SSQJTVDIASE747GQDVHLET/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/N3EU5WYAR5RUR5WOON6SSU7FPBR4WQWG/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
thinking that perhaps CC-by-sa needs to reinstate moral rights(removed with 3.0) to stop misuse of content by such sites. On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 20:40, Ndahiro Derrick Alter < ndahiroder...@gmail.com> wrote: > How amazing it would be , if discussions like these were hosted somewhere > else other than this mailing list > > derrick > > > On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 at 13:01 David Gerard wrote: > >> what do you expect from an encyclopedia founded by world-famous >> communist Jimmy Wales >> >> -d. >> >> On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 08:52, Vi to wrote: >> > >> > Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda. >> > >> > Vito >> > >> > Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < >> galder...@hotmail.com> ha scritto: >> >> >> >> The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + >> Disinformation = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn >> diagram is, or simply that they actually think that. >> >> >> >> Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into >> oblivion. >> >> >> >> Galder >> >> >> >> From: Lauren Worden >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM >> >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List >> >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia >> >> >> >> The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia >> >> bias I can find on >> >> https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are >> >> climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think >> >> Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions. >> >> >> >> Perhaps Atsme can clarify? >> >> >> >> -LW >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett < >> a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, < >> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Justapedia >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows >> "disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in >> determining "truth" suggests. >> >> > >> >> > But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly: >> >> > >> >> > "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions >> regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve >> to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are >> required to have a high level, native understanding of written English" >> >> > >> >> >> Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Oh, please. Do better than that. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > [1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png >> >> > >> >> > [2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board >> >> > >> >> > ___ >> >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> >> > Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7W7MOK6DIXWW2EDSGEZLBW7EMO3VTJB3/ >> >> > To unsubscribe send an email to >> wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> ___ >> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ZPURICMWJV5FKR4EKQEMTD2J3DSJUFOA/ >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> ___ >> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >> guidelines at: https://meta.wikim
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
Well, nothing is stopping you from discussing it anywhere else you like. On Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 6:39 AM Ndahiro Derrick Alter wrote: > How amazing it would be , if discussions like these were hosted somewhere > else other than this mailing list > > derrick > > > On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 at 13:01 David Gerard wrote: > >> what do you expect from an encyclopedia founded by world-famous >> communist Jimmy Wales >> >> -d. >> >> On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 08:52, Vi to wrote: >> > >> > Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda. >> > >> > Vito >> > >> > Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < >> galder...@hotmail.com> ha scritto: >> >> >> >> The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + >> Disinformation = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn >> diagram is, or simply that they actually think that. >> >> >> >> Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into >> oblivion. >> >> >> >> Galder >> >> >> >> From: Lauren Worden >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM >> >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List >> >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia >> >> >> >> The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia >> >> bias I can find on >> >> https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are >> >> climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think >> >> Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions. >> >> >> >> Perhaps Atsme can clarify? >> >> >> >> -LW >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett < >> a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, < >> wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Justapedia >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows >> "disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in >> determining "truth" suggests. >> >> > >> >> > But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly: >> >> > >> >> > "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions >> regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve >> to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are >> required to have a high level, native understanding of written English" >> >> > >> >> >> Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...] >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Oh, please. Do better than that. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > [1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png >> >> > >> >> > [2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board >> >> > >> >> > ___ >> >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> >> > Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7W7MOK6DIXWW2EDSGEZLBW7EMO3VTJB3/ >> >> > To unsubscribe send an email to >> wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> ___ >> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ZPURICMWJV5FKR4EKQEMTD2J3DSJUFOA/ >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> ___ >> >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
How amazing it would be , if discussions like these were hosted somewhere else other than this mailing list derrick On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 at 13:01 David Gerard wrote: > what do you expect from an encyclopedia founded by world-famous > communist Jimmy Wales > > -d. > > On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 08:52, Vi to wrote: > > > > Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda. > > > > Vito > > > > Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < > galder...@hotmail.com> ha scritto: > >> > >> The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation > = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply > that they actually think that. > >> > >> Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion. > >> > >> Galder > >> ____ > >> From: Lauren Worden > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM > >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List > >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia > >> > >> The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia > >> bias I can find on > >> https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are > >> climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think > >> Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions. > >> > >> Perhaps Atsme can clarify? > >> > >> -LW > >> > >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett > wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, < > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Justapedia > >> > > >> > > >> > It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows > "disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in > determining "truth" suggests. > >> > > >> > But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly: > >> > > >> > "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions > regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve > to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are > required to have a high level, native understanding of written English" > >> > > >> >> Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...] > >> > > >> > > >> > Oh, please. Do better than that. > >> > > >> > > >> > [1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png > >> > > >> > [2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, > guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7W7MOK6DIXWW2EDSGEZLBW7EMO3VTJB3/ > >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> ___ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, > guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ZPURICMWJV5FKR4EKQEMTD2J3DSJUFOA/ > >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > >> ___ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, > guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/U6EHCOOQX2SSQJTVDIASE747GQDVHLET/ > >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimed
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
what do you expect from an encyclopedia founded by world-famous communist Jimmy Wales -d. On Tue, 12 Sept 2023 at 08:52, Vi to wrote: > > Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda. > > Vito > > Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga > ha scritto: >> >> The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation = >> Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply >> that they actually think that. >> >> Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion. >> >> Galder >> >> From: Lauren Worden >> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM >> To: Wikimedia Mailing List >> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia >> >> The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia >> bias I can find on >> https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are >> climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think >> Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions. >> >> Perhaps Atsme can clarify? >> >> -LW >> >> On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Justapedia >> > >> > >> > It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows >> > "disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in >> > determining "truth" suggests. >> > >> > But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly: >> > >> > "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions >> > regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve >> > to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are >> > required to have a high level, native understanding of written English" >> > >> >> Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...] >> > >> > >> > Oh, please. Do better than that. >> > >> > >> > [1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png >> > >> > [2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board >> > >> > ___ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> > Public archives at >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7W7MOK6DIXWW2EDSGEZLBW7EMO3VTJB3/ >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> ___ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ZPURICMWJV5FKR4EKQEMTD2J3DSJUFOA/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> ___ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/U6EHCOOQX2SSQJTVDIASE747GQDVHLET/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/RYKDPCWICPXAXTIKE2MYM55HHKCPZ3CT/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/VCRKYVRNFCRBS2R5FFOCFEPEEIPJ3YPJ/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
Indeed Venn diagrams are a left-wing-woke-cancel-culture propaganda. Vito Il giorno mar 12 set 2023 alle ore 08:15 Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder...@hotmail.com> ha scritto: > The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation = > Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply > that they actually think that. > > Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion. > > Galder > -- > *From:* Lauren Worden > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM > *To:* Wikimedia Mailing List > *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia > > The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia > bias I can find on > https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are > climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think > Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions. > > Perhaps Atsme can clarify? > > -LW > > On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, < > wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > >> Justapedia > > > > > > It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows > "disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in > determining "truth" suggests. > > > > But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly: > > > > "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions > regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve > to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are > required to have a high level, native understanding of written English" > > > >> Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...] > > > > > > Oh, please. Do better than that. > > > > > > [1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png > > > > [2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board > > > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7W7MOK6DIXWW2EDSGEZLBW7EMO3VTJB3/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ZPURICMWJV5FKR4EKQEMTD2J3DSJUFOA/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/U6EHCOOQX2SSQJTVDIASE747GQDVHLET/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/RYKDPCWICPXAXTIKE2MYM55HHKCPZ3CT/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
The logo is quite funny. According to that Information + Disinformation = Facts. It might be that they don't know what a Venn diagram is, or simply that they actually think that. Don't worry, this is just one more project that will fall into oblivion. Galder From: Lauren Worden Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 12:42 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia bias I can find on https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions. Perhaps Atsme can clarify? -LW On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, > wrote: > >> Justapedia > > > It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows "disinformation" > and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" > suggests. > > But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly: > > "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions regarding > the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve > content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a > high level, native understanding of written English" > >> Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...] > > > Oh, please. Do better than that. > > > [1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png > > [2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7W7MOK6DIXWW2EDSGEZLBW7EMO3VTJB3/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ZPURICMWJV5FKR4EKQEMTD2J3DSJUFOA/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/U6EHCOOQX2SSQJTVDIASE747GQDVHLET/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
The only specific and non-contradictory complaints about Wikipedia bias I can find on https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation are climate change and COVID-19, which are areas in which I think Wikipedia excels. The complaints about politics go in both directions. Perhaps Atsme can clarify? -LW On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 3:18 PM Andy Mabbett wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, > wrote: > >> Justapedia > > > It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows "disinformation" > and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" > suggests. > > But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly: > > "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions regarding > the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve > content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a > high level, native understanding of written English" > >> Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...] > > > Oh, please. Do better than that. > > > [1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png > > [2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board > > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7W7MOK6DIXWW2EDSGEZLBW7EMO3VTJB3/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ZPURICMWJV5FKR4EKQEMTD2J3DSJUFOA/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
On Sun, 10 Sept 2023, 14:31 Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l, < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: Justapedia > It's laughable, as the logo [1] that (inadvertently,?) shows "disinformation" and "lies" being given equal weight with "information" in determining "truth" suggests. But this [2] hints at the darker underbelly: "The Editorial Review Board (ERB) [...] will make binding decisions regarding the retention and rejection of article content, as well as serve to resolve content disputes, and notability issues... ERB members are required to have a high level, native understanding of written English" Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator [...] > Oh, please. Do better than that. [1] https://justapedia.org/wiki/File:Hands-circ-sifts-sources-Sm.png [2] https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Editorial_Review_Board > ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/7W7MOK6DIXWW2EDSGEZLBW7EMO3VTJB3/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
[Wikimedia-l] Re: Launch of Justapedia
Where are these rumours? More info on Justapedia and its founder, history, etc. https://justapedia.org/wiki/Justapedia:Justapedia_Foundation#About Created by an en.wiki editor Doug Weller English Wikipedia administrator/CheckUser/Oversight Member of the Arbitration Committee 2015-2018 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Doug_Weller On Sun, Sep 10, 2023 at 2:31 PM Rey Bueno via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > Last month, the alternative project Justapedia was launched which is > accessible through the URL https://justapedia.org. It is a complete > English Wikipedia fork made sometime last year. > > Unfortunately the front page showcase doesn't give it good optics because > it gave the impression of trying to "whitewash" fascism. They'll have a > better public opinion if they tried to fix the Holocaust distortions as > revealed by Jan Grabowski and Shira Klein, and put that into the showcase. > > Besides, there are alarming rumors I saw in Y Combinator that > Wikipedia/Wikimedia have unreported harassment and pedophilia scandals. > ___ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/C4CJWNAQ5UG5PWFYB3X6CHDF7FC65BGF/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/W3EEMK5QIK4GOUDUP7Z3OT4CGTNYIKUV/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
