> There is some data at
"WP0 deactivated for Unitel Angola on June 29
Caused traffic for the entire country to drop
from ~20 million to ~4 million views/month"
But there was no drop at
It's a reasonable question, for which the Wiki-research-l mailing list
(CCed) might be a better venue.
There is some data at
a full analysis, highlighting just two example countries)
Was this intended as a response to Lane?
If so, I do not understand what point you are trying to make.
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Sent: 03 December 2019 08:39
On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 13:03, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> Your statement, made in ignorance of the facts, is offensive not only
> to me, but chiefly to the many other volunteers who are busy growing
> Wikidata in Africa and Asia, both as a result of my voluntary
> activities and otherwise.
On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 06:38, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> There is no attention from the community to get our data into Africa
> or Asia for that matter, what happened is all thanks to staff efforts.
In 2015, as a volunteer, I gave a keynote presentation on Wikidata's
sue of authority control
Sorry but really? Is something not good enough because "the community" did
not think of it?? Really, if there is one part of our movement totally
involved in what we do it IS the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation. They
maintain their distance and let the community do its thing.. they are to
I would be in favor of getting a Wikipedia Zero post mortem for lessons
learned. The idea was inspiring, and it still sounds like a good idea, but
so far as I know the discourse about what worked and what failed to work
never got published or made it to wiki. One barrier in Wikipedia Zero that
Sending on behalf of Douglas as his message did not make it through:
James is right about South Africa. Although there is a strong appetite
for Wikipedia Zero in South Africa (and surrounding countries as well
I would bet) there were some unexpected hurdles encountered here. The
The offline apps have also been downloaded 100 of thousands of times
mostly from people in LMIC.
Wikipedia Zero faced the controversial about net neutrality. And thus
we were legally banned from continuing in India.
Douglas Scott and I discussed the effects of the program in South
Would you please send a few or more paragraph description of the
accomplishments and costs of the Wikipedia Zero program to the
I also would love to see it back. The concerns about zero rating
service abuse are real, but they did not apply to WZ no matter how
Top-down and Bottom-up:
Wikipedia relies on volunteers and can really be considered to be a
"bottom-up" encyclopedia project, where the readers can also add content
and become part of the project. I consider that the Kiwix offline Wikipedia
is also very democratic in that anyone can copy and share
Peter we were celebrated when we received the Erasmus prize. It was a
joyous occasion and a clip was shown with children from Soweto explaining
what Wikipedia Zero meant for them. At the time we DID have statistics on
growth from Africa. We did know what growth was attributable to Wikipedia
I am also interested in what the impact of Wikipedia Zero was, but it is not
obvious to me how it would be measured.
The board members are unlikely to have personally researched this, but might
know if there is or was a project and if so what they are or were trying to
On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 11:09, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> What I have noticed is that once consensus has been reached, we do not want
> to be confronted with the consequences of our actions. Wikipedia Zero has
> damaged our outreach and what the BBC info reminds us of is that Internet,
> the cost
What I asked for is: do we understand what the impact was of the Wikipedia
Zero project. In the answer of James, a board member of the WMF someone who
could know, there is nothing that answers that question. All the answer
does is deflect the question to something else. A notion that it
It would be great if you could keep a slightly more constructive tone in
your messages. On one hand, you seem genuinely interested to help access to
free knowledge in Africa, but in your second email, you seem to jump (after
one response) to conclusions already. If you like to get real
I agree with Gerard. The Wikimedia Foundation invested substantial money,
and substantial reputational capital, into Wikipedia Zero, for many years.
A sober analysis of the consequences of those decisions would be valuable
Jason Koebler wrote a fascinating and somewhat disturbing series of
Kiwix and off line Wikipedia did exist at the start of Wikipedia Zero. It
is great that you brought some to Africa but you do not scale and it is not
a study into the effects of what the effects are of terminating Wikipedia
No idea what "Starlink" is but it is not a reality for a few
We have offline Wikipedia. I have shipped devices to Kinshasa, and
they arrived :-)
Of course they do not at all address the need for two way communication.
I am hoping Starlink will help when it comes online in a few years.
On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 12:19 AM Gerard Meijssen
The BBC shows how dramatically expensive internet is in Africa.. For in my
opinion local political reasons Wikipedia Zero has terminated. That is ok
up to a point; the point being that we understand the consequences from
Given that our data is NOT local, people have to pay a
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