Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-09 Thread James Salsman
> There is some data at > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Foundation_Audiences_Metrics_%26_Insights_Q1_2018-19.pdf "WP0 deactivated for Unitel Angola on June 29 Caused traffic for the entire country to drop from ~20 million to ~4 million views/month" But there was no drop at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-08 Thread Tilman Bayer
It's a reasonable question, for which the Wiki-research-l mailing list (CCed) might be a better venue. There is some data at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Foundation_Audiences_Metrics_%26_Insights_Q1_2018-19.pdf (not a full analysis, highlighting just two example countries)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-03 Thread Peter Southwood
Gerard, Was this intended as a response to Lane? If so, I do not understand what point you are trying to make. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: 03 December 2019 08:39 To: Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 13:03, Andy Mabbett wrote: [...] > Your statement, made in ignorance of the facts, is offensive not only > to me, but chiefly to the many other volunteers who are busy growing > Wikidata in Africa and Asia, both as a result of my voluntary > activities and otherwise. It's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-03 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 06:38, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > There is no attention from the community to get our data into Africa > or Asia for that matter, what happened is all thanks to staff efforts. In 2015, as a volunteer, I gave a keynote presentation on Wikidata's sue of authority control

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Sorry but really? Is something not good enough because "the community" did not think of it?? Really, if there is one part of our movement totally involved in what we do it IS the staff of the Wikimedia Foundation. They maintain their distance and let the community do its thing.. they are to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-02 Thread Lane Rasberry
I would be in favor of getting a Wikipedia Zero post mortem for lessons learned. The idea was inspiring, and it still sounds like a good idea, but so far as I know the discourse about what worked and what failed to work never got published or made it to wiki. One barrier in Wikipedia Zero that I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-02 Thread James Heilman
Sending on behalf of Douglas as his message did not make it through: "Hi everyone, James is right about South Africa. Although there is a strong appetite for Wikipedia Zero in South Africa (and surrounding countries as well I would bet) there were some unexpected hurdles encountered here. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-01 Thread James Heilman
The offline apps have also been downloaded 100 of thousands of times mostly from people in LMIC. Wikipedia Zero faced the controversial about net neutrality. And thus we were legally banned from continuing in India. Douglas Scott and I discussed the effects of the program in South Africa. Have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-01 Thread James Salsman
Kul, Would you please send a few or more paragraph description of the accomplishments and costs of the Wikipedia Zero program to the wikimedia-l list? I also would love to see it back. The concerns about zero rating service abuse are real, but they did not apply to WZ no matter how many people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-01 Thread Gabriel Thullen
Top-down and Bottom-up: Wikipedia relies on volunteers and can really be considered to be a "bottom-up" encyclopedia project, where the readers can also add content and become part of the project. I consider that the Kiwix offline Wikipedia is also very democratic in that anyone can copy and share

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Peter we were celebrated when we received the Erasmus prize. It was a joyous occasion and a clip was shown with children from Soweto explaining what Wikipedia Zero meant for them. At the time we DID have statistics on growth from Africa. We did know what growth was attributable to Wikipedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-01 Thread Peter Southwood
Gerhard, I am also interested in what the impact of Wikipedia Zero was, but it is not obvious to me how it would be measured. The board members are unlikely to have personally researched this, but might know if there is or was a project and if so what they are or were trying to measure.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-01 Thread
On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 11:09, Gerard Meijssen wrote: ... > What I have noticed is that once consensus has been reached, we do not want > to be confronted with the consequences of our actions. Wikipedia Zero has > damaged our outreach and what the BBC info reminds us of is that Internet, > the cost

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-12-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Lodewijk, What I asked for is: do we understand what the impact was of the Wikipedia Zero project. In the answer of James, a board member of the WMF someone who could know, there is nothing that answers that question. All the answer does is deflect the question to something else. A notion that it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-11-30 Thread effe iets anders
Hi Gerard, It would be great if you could keep a slightly more constructive tone in your messages. On one hand, you seem genuinely interested to help access to free knowledge in Africa, but in your second email, you seem to jump (after one response) to conclusions already. If you like to get real

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-11-26 Thread Pete Forsyth
I agree with Gerard. The Wikimedia Foundation invested substantial money, and substantial reputational capital, into Wikipedia Zero, for many years. A sober analysis of the consequences of those decisions would be valuable Jason Koebler wrote a fascinating and somewhat disturbing series of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-11-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Kiwix and off line Wikipedia did exist at the start of Wikipedia Zero. It is great that you brought some to Africa but you do not scale and it is not a study into the effects of what the effects are of terminating Wikipedia Zero. No idea what "Starlink" is but it is not a reality for a few

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-11-25 Thread James Heilman
We have offline Wikipedia. I have shipped devices to Kinshasa, and they arrived :-) Of course they do not at all address the need for two way communication. I am hoping Starlink will help when it comes online in a few years. James On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 12:19 AM Gerard Meijssen wrote: > >

[Wikimedia-l] Remember Wikipedia Zero.. Where is the research about the effects of its demise?

2019-11-24 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The BBC shows how dramatically expensive internet is in Africa.. For in my opinion local political reasons Wikipedia Zero has terminated. That is ok up to a point; the point being that we understand the consequences from this action. Given that our data is NOT local, people have to pay a