Re: [Wikimedia-l] SatuSuro, stop stalking the home of my parents

[Dennis Pierri]

I'm aware, what I mean is that he could solve this by other means other than 
using this list.

On 03/08/2014, at 13:53, Newyorkbrad  wrote:

> Actually, those would not be appropriate ways of handling the (alleged)
> situation either.
> 
> Newyorkbrad
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Dennis Pierri  wrote:
> 
>> You can go to SatuSuro's talk page and say this personally to him or
>> vandalize it or whatever your heart desires, but please keep personal
>> things personal, this is about wikimedia projects, not about your personal
>> life.
>> 
>> On 02/08/2014, at 21:56, Russavia  wrote:
>> 
>>> In mid-July I was advised by an editor that on 5 July 2014 they had
>>> received via the Wikimedia mailing system an email from SatuSuro.[1] The
>>> editor in question, who stated that they ordinarily would not share
>> private
>>> communications but felt compelled to on this occasion, forwarded me the
>>> email, along with all headers. In this email SatuSuro made the
>>> following statement:
>>> 
>>> "I am not 100% sure where you contextualise your comments from, but he
>> is a
>>> local, and I know his parents house quite well"
>>> 
>>> Upon reading it, I was absolutely gobsmacked. Firstly, the comment was
>>> wildly out of place in the context of the email, and secondly, this is
>> how
>>> the email ended.
>>> 
>>> One will note that he states that he doesn't say that he knows me nor
>> knows
>>> my family, but that he knows my parents' house quite well. This obviously
>>> made me quite squeamish, because it's not my home that he states he knows
>>> well, but the home of my parents.
>>> 
>>> I have never met SatuSuro (T.H.) in real life, and have had no reason nor
>>> great desire to meet him. So he is not known to me on a personal level in
>>> any way, shape or form.
>>> 
>>> With this in mind, I sent an email to my folks asking them if they knew
>>> T.H. or if they recognised him from his photo.[2] I told them that the
>> guy
>>> had stated "I know his parents house quite well".
>>> 
>>> They were concerned. My old lady, especially so, who looked at his
>> comment
>>> the same way I did. I won't divulge what sort of search terms I found in
>>> her Google search history, even after I showed them the email which was
>>> sent by T.H.. Both my old man and old lady confirmed that they do not
>> know
>>> T.H. by name nor by photo, and have no idea how he could know their house
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> I informed them that if they should see him near their home that they
>>> should contact the police. My folks, who are enjoying their retirement
>> and
>>> have their four young grandkids at their house every other day, also took
>>> the grandkids aside and showed them T.H.'s photo and said that if they
>> see
>>> this man that they should tell them or their parents straight away - a
>> much
>>> needed lesson in "stranger danger" I guess.
>>> 
>>> It doesn't stop there, but I was informed the other day at a family get
>>> together, that they had shelled out a fair amount of money for multiple
>>> infrared cameras which are situated around their residence (in the open
>> and
>>> hidden), recording equipment, added security monitoring and installation.
>>> 
>>> This is so not cool. Absolutely not cool. One may expect to deal with
>>> creepy stalker cunts as a result of participating in sites such as 4chan
>> (I
>>> dunno, never participated, but it has that rep perhaps), but one should
>>> absolutely not expect to have to deal with such things from their
>>> participation in Wikimedia projects. And especially not from someone who
>> is
>>> a member of a WM Chapter (WMAU) and the recipient of a scholarship from
>> the
>>> WMF to travel to Wikimania next week.[3]
>>> 
>>> There is no reason at all that would have required T.H. to attempt to
>> stalk
>>> me in real life, and there is absolutely zero reason or excuse for him to
>>> be stalking, not my home, but the home of my parents, which has resulted
>> in
>>> them upgrading security, as great cost, to their castle.
>>> 
>>> A message to SatuSuro -- stop stalking the home of my parents you creepy
>>> fuck.
>>> 
>>> Russavia
>>> 
>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SatuSuro
>>> [2]
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SatuSuro_at_Wikimania_2013.jpg
>>> [3]
>>> 
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars#2014_WMF_Scholarship_Recipients
>>> (#83)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SatuSuro, stop stalking the home of my parents

[Newyorkbrad]

Actually, those would not be appropriate ways of handling the (alleged)
situation either.

Newyorkbrad


On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Dennis Pierri  wrote:

> You can go to SatuSuro's talk page and say this personally to him or
> vandalize it or whatever your heart desires, but please keep personal
> things personal, this is about wikimedia projects, not about your personal
> life.
>
> On 02/08/2014, at 21:56, Russavia  wrote:
>
> > In mid-July I was advised by an editor that on 5 July 2014 they had
> > received via the Wikimedia mailing system an email from SatuSuro.[1] The
> > editor in question, who stated that they ordinarily would not share
> private
> > communications but felt compelled to on this occasion, forwarded me the
> > email, along with all headers. In this email SatuSuro made the
> > following statement:
> >
> > "I am not 100% sure where you contextualise your comments from, but he
> is a
> > local, and I know his parents house quite well"
> >
> > Upon reading it, I was absolutely gobsmacked. Firstly, the comment was
> > wildly out of place in the context of the email, and secondly, this is
> how
> > the email ended.
> >
> > One will note that he states that he doesn't say that he knows me nor
> knows
> > my family, but that he knows my parents' house quite well. This obviously
> > made me quite squeamish, because it's not my home that he states he knows
> > well, but the home of my parents.
> >
> > I have never met SatuSuro (T.H.) in real life, and have had no reason nor
> > great desire to meet him. So he is not known to me on a personal level in
> > any way, shape or form.
> >
> > With this in mind, I sent an email to my folks asking them if they knew
> > T.H. or if they recognised him from his photo.[2] I told them that the
> guy
> > had stated "I know his parents house quite well".
> >
> > They were concerned. My old lady, especially so, who looked at his
> comment
> > the same way I did. I won't divulge what sort of search terms I found in
> > her Google search history, even after I showed them the email which was
> > sent by T.H.. Both my old man and old lady confirmed that they do not
> know
> > T.H. by name nor by photo, and have no idea how he could know their house
> > well.
> >
> > I informed them that if they should see him near their home that they
> > should contact the police. My folks, who are enjoying their retirement
> and
> > have their four young grandkids at their house every other day, also took
> > the grandkids aside and showed them T.H.'s photo and said that if they
> see
> > this man that they should tell them or their parents straight away - a
> much
> > needed lesson in "stranger danger" I guess.
> >
> > It doesn't stop there, but I was informed the other day at a family get
> > together, that they had shelled out a fair amount of money for multiple
> > infrared cameras which are situated around their residence (in the open
> and
> > hidden), recording equipment, added security monitoring and installation.
> >
> > This is so not cool. Absolutely not cool. One may expect to deal with
> > creepy stalker cunts as a result of participating in sites such as 4chan
> (I
> > dunno, never participated, but it has that rep perhaps), but one should
> > absolutely not expect to have to deal with such things from their
> > participation in Wikimedia projects. And especially not from someone who
> is
> > a member of a WM Chapter (WMAU) and the recipient of a scholarship from
> the
> > WMF to travel to Wikimania next week.[3]
> >
> > There is no reason at all that would have required T.H. to attempt to
> stalk
> > me in real life, and there is absolutely zero reason or excuse for him to
> > be stalking, not my home, but the home of my parents, which has resulted
> in
> > them upgrading security, as great cost, to their castle.
> >
> > A message to SatuSuro -- stop stalking the home of my parents you creepy
> > fuck.
> >
> > Russavia
> >
> > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SatuSuro
> > [2]
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SatuSuro_at_Wikimania_2013.jpg
> > [3]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars#2014_WMF_Scholarship_Recipients
> > (#83)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SatuSuro, stop stalking the home of my parents

[Dennis Pierri]

You can go to SatuSuro's talk page and say this personally to him or vandalize 
it or whatever your heart desires, but please keep personal things personal, 
this is about wikimedia projects, not about your personal life.

On 02/08/2014, at 21:56, Russavia  wrote:

> In mid-July I was advised by an editor that on 5 July 2014 they had
> received via the Wikimedia mailing system an email from SatuSuro.[1] The
> editor in question, who stated that they ordinarily would not share private
> communications but felt compelled to on this occasion, forwarded me the
> email, along with all headers. In this email SatuSuro made the
> following statement:
> 
> "I am not 100% sure where you contextualise your comments from, but he is a
> local, and I know his parents house quite well"
> 
> Upon reading it, I was absolutely gobsmacked. Firstly, the comment was
> wildly out of place in the context of the email, and secondly, this is how
> the email ended.
> 
> One will note that he states that he doesn't say that he knows me nor knows
> my family, but that he knows my parents' house quite well. This obviously
> made me quite squeamish, because it's not my home that he states he knows
> well, but the home of my parents.
> 
> I have never met SatuSuro (T.H.) in real life, and have had no reason nor
> great desire to meet him. So he is not known to me on a personal level in
> any way, shape or form.
> 
> With this in mind, I sent an email to my folks asking them if they knew
> T.H. or if they recognised him from his photo.[2] I told them that the guy
> had stated "I know his parents house quite well".
> 
> They were concerned. My old lady, especially so, who looked at his comment
> the same way I did. I won't divulge what sort of search terms I found in
> her Google search history, even after I showed them the email which was
> sent by T.H.. Both my old man and old lady confirmed that they do not know
> T.H. by name nor by photo, and have no idea how he could know their house
> well.
> 
> I informed them that if they should see him near their home that they
> should contact the police. My folks, who are enjoying their retirement and
> have their four young grandkids at their house every other day, also took
> the grandkids aside and showed them T.H.'s photo and said that if they see
> this man that they should tell them or their parents straight away - a much
> needed lesson in "stranger danger" I guess.
> 
> It doesn't stop there, but I was informed the other day at a family get
> together, that they had shelled out a fair amount of money for multiple
> infrared cameras which are situated around their residence (in the open and
> hidden), recording equipment, added security monitoring and installation.
> 
> This is so not cool. Absolutely not cool. One may expect to deal with
> creepy stalker cunts as a result of participating in sites such as 4chan (I
> dunno, never participated, but it has that rep perhaps), but one should
> absolutely not expect to have to deal with such things from their
> participation in Wikimedia projects. And especially not from someone who is
> a member of a WM Chapter (WMAU) and the recipient of a scholarship from the
> WMF to travel to Wikimania next week.[3]
> 
> There is no reason at all that would have required T.H. to attempt to stalk
> me in real life, and there is absolutely zero reason or excuse for him to
> be stalking, not my home, but the home of my parents, which has resulted in
> them upgrading security, as great cost, to their castle.
> 
> A message to SatuSuro -- stop stalking the home of my parents you creepy
> fuck.
> 
> Russavia
> 
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SatuSuro
> [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SatuSuro_at_Wikimania_2013.jpg
> [3]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars#2014_WMF_Scholarship_Recipients
> (#83)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SatuSuro, stop stalking the home of my parents

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Russavia, 03/08/2014 04:26:
> [...] With this in mind, I sent an email to my folks asking them if they knew
> T.H. or if they recognised him from his photo.[2] I told them that the guy
> had stated "I know his parents house quite well".
> 
> They were concerned. [...]

Notifying parents was an obviously correct thing to do, thanks for
caring about the elderly; whether what followed was overreaction or not
I don't know, but I'm not sure that matters.

Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SatuSuro, stop stalking the home of my parents

[Richard Ames]

Russavia -

If you are serious about this allegation - go to the police.

I have placed your address on moderation.

Regards, Richard.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] SatuSuro, stop stalking the home of my parents

[Newyorkbrad]

This e-mail strikes me as a major overreaction based on the
information presented, especially since there is no indication that
Russavia ever contacted the person he is accusing and asked him what
was meant by the comment. In any event, the posting is wildly
inappropriate for a public mailing list.

Newyorkbrad

On 8/2/14, Russavia  wrote:
> In mid-July I was advised by an editor that on 5 July 2014 they had
> received via the Wikimedia mailing system an email from SatuSuro.[1] The
> editor in question, who stated that they ordinarily would not share private
> communications but felt compelled to on this occasion, forwarded me the
> email, along with all headers. In this email SatuSuro made the
> following statement:
>
> "I am not 100% sure where you contextualise your comments from, but he is a
> local, and I know his parents house quite well"
>
> Upon reading it, I was absolutely gobsmacked. Firstly, the comment was
> wildly out of place in the context of the email, and secondly, this is how
> the email ended.
>
> One will note that he states that he doesn't say that he knows me nor knows
> my family, but that he knows my parents' house quite well. This obviously
> made me quite squeamish, because it's not my home that he states he knows
> well, but the home of my parents.
>
> I have never met SatuSuro (T.H.) in real life, and have had no reason nor
> great desire to meet him. So he is not known to me on a personal level in
> any way, shape or form.
>
> With this in mind, I sent an email to my folks asking them if they knew
> T.H. or if they recognised him from his photo.[2] I told them that the guy
> had stated "I know his parents house quite well".
>
> They were concerned. My old lady, especially so, who looked at his comment
> the same way I did. I won't divulge what sort of search terms I found in
> her Google search history, even after I showed them the email which was
> sent by T.H.. Both my old man and old lady confirmed that they do not know
> T.H. by name nor by photo, and have no idea how he could know their house
> well.
>
> I informed them that if they should see him near their home that they
> should contact the police. My folks, who are enjoying their retirement and
> have their four young grandkids at their house every other day, also took
> the grandkids aside and showed them T.H.'s photo and said that if they see
> this man that they should tell them or their parents straight away - a much
> needed lesson in "stranger danger" I guess.
>
> It doesn't stop there, but I was informed the other day at a family get
> together, that they had shelled out a fair amount of money for multiple
> infrared cameras which are situated around their residence (in the open and
> hidden), recording equipment, added security monitoring and installation.
>
> This is so not cool. Absolutely not cool. One may expect to deal with
> creepy stalker cunts as a result of participating in sites such as 4chan (I
> dunno, never participated, but it has that rep perhaps), but one should
> absolutely not expect to have to deal with such things from their
> participation in Wikimedia projects. And especially not from someone who is
> a member of a WM Chapter (WMAU) and the recipient of a scholarship from the
> WMF to travel to Wikimania next week.[3]
>
> There is no reason at all that would have required T.H. to attempt to stalk
> me in real life, and there is absolutely zero reason or excuse for him to
> be stalking, not my home, but the home of my parents, which has resulted in
> them upgrading security, as great cost, to their castle.
>
> A message to SatuSuro -- stop stalking the home of my parents you creepy
> fuck.
>
> Russavia
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SatuSuro
> [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SatuSuro_at_Wikimania_2013.jpg
> [3]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars#2014_WMF_Scholarship_Recipients
>  (#83)
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[Wikimedia-l] SatuSuro, stop stalking the home of my parents

[Russavia]

In mid-July I was advised by an editor that on 5 July 2014 they had
received via the Wikimedia mailing system an email from SatuSuro.[1] The
editor in question, who stated that they ordinarily would not share private
communications but felt compelled to on this occasion, forwarded me the
email, along with all headers. In this email SatuSuro made the
following statement:

"I am not 100% sure where you contextualise your comments from, but he is a
local, and I know his parents house quite well"

Upon reading it, I was absolutely gobsmacked. Firstly, the comment was
wildly out of place in the context of the email, and secondly, this is how
the email ended.

One will note that he states that he doesn't say that he knows me nor knows
my family, but that he knows my parents' house quite well. This obviously
made me quite squeamish, because it's not my home that he states he knows
well, but the home of my parents.

I have never met SatuSuro (T.H.) in real life, and have had no reason nor
great desire to meet him. So he is not known to me on a personal level in
any way, shape or form.

With this in mind, I sent an email to my folks asking them if they knew
T.H. or if they recognised him from his photo.[2] I told them that the guy
had stated "I know his parents house quite well".

They were concerned. My old lady, especially so, who looked at his comment
the same way I did. I won't divulge what sort of search terms I found in
her Google search history, even after I showed them the email which was
sent by T.H.. Both my old man and old lady confirmed that they do not know
T.H. by name nor by photo, and have no idea how he could know their house
well.

I informed them that if they should see him near their home that they
should contact the police. My folks, who are enjoying their retirement and
have their four young grandkids at their house every other day, also took
the grandkids aside and showed them T.H.'s photo and said that if they see
this man that they should tell them or their parents straight away - a much
needed lesson in "stranger danger" I guess.

It doesn't stop there, but I was informed the other day at a family get
together, that they had shelled out a fair amount of money for multiple
infrared cameras which are situated around their residence (in the open and
hidden), recording equipment, added security monitoring and installation.

This is so not cool. Absolutely not cool. One may expect to deal with
creepy stalker cunts as a result of participating in sites such as 4chan (I
dunno, never participated, but it has that rep perhaps), but one should
absolutely not expect to have to deal with such things from their
participation in Wikimedia projects. And especially not from someone who is
a member of a WM Chapter (WMAU) and the recipient of a scholarship from the
WMF to travel to Wikimania next week.[3]

There is no reason at all that would have required T.H. to attempt to stalk
me in real life, and there is absolutely zero reason or excuse for him to
be stalking, not my home, but the home of my parents, which has resulted in
them upgrading security, as great cost, to their castle.

A message to SatuSuro -- stop stalking the home of my parents you creepy
fuck.

Russavia

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SatuSuro
[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:SatuSuro_at_Wikimania_2013.jpg
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars#2014_WMF_Scholarship_Recipients
 (#83)
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