Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-02-22 Thread Jan Ainali
If you want an overview of the brand project I recently made an interview with Zack McCune at WMF about it. You can find it on Wikimedia Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WP_74_-_right_on_brand.mp3 or, if you prefer regular podcast players, here:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-02-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I totally agree that it is about community.. There are some 200 Wikipedia communities, there is Commons, Wikisource and the community I am most involved in Wikidata. What ties it together is the organisation of it all. THAT is Wikimedia for me, both the org and the movement. Thanks,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-02-02 Thread Frans Grijzenhout
Thanks Pine, +1, in particular for this sentence, which goes beyond the legal status of the brand name: "I think that the Wikipedia brand is, in a way, the brand of the community. WMF is the steward of the brand, and should not use the brand in ways which the community has not authorized by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-02-01 Thread Pine W
Hello, I have waited to return to this thread until I could clear enough space in my mind to try to address it thoroughly. Apologies for the delay. I will try to address multiple topics in one email. I think that the Wikipedia brand is, in a way, the brand of the community. WMF is the steward of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-20 Thread Nathan
Just want to reinforce some other comments -- Pine... WMF employees, many of whom gave up subscribing to this list long ago, are real people and this is their livelihood. Suggestions to start firing people add no value to the discussion and, if anything, detract from the credibility of the other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-20 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Mike Peel Sent: 20 January 2020 00:29 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia This meta RfC might be of interest: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Should_the_Foundation_call_itself_Wikipedia Gracias, Mike

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-20 Thread Peter Southwood
Thanks for the heads-up, Mike, P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Mike Peel Sent: 20 January 2020 00:29 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia This meta RfC might be of interest

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-19 Thread Mike Peel
This meta RfC might be of interest: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Should_the_Foundation_call_itself_Wikipedia Gracias, Mike > On 19 Jan 2020, at 08:54:12, geni wrote: > > On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 00:50, Pine W wrote: >> >> There are ways that Wikimedia rebranding

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-19 Thread geni
On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 00:50, Pine W wrote: > > There are ways that Wikimedia rebranding consultations could be done > collaboratively, politely, and with careful stewardship of donor's money. > This is not one of them. Eh questionable. The community is difficult to engage at the best of times

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-18 Thread Фархад Фаткуллин / Farhad Fatkullin
Forwarding from a PC as simple text: 18.01.2020, 23:48, "Фархад Фаткуллин / Farhad Fatkullin" : > As one of the participants at Oslo workshops (two groups of Wikimedia > movement participants took part in on-site hands-on exercises on Jan.14-15 & > 15-16), I would say both statements are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-18 Thread Samuel Klein
Interesting to see -- thanks for the pointer John! I like what I've seen of Snøhetta + their work, would love to hear more. On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 1:56 PM John Erling Blad wrote: > … and people immediately went ballistic. Calm down and discuss the topic! > > The news reporting seems to be that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-18 Thread John Erling Blad
… and people immediately went ballistic. Calm down and discuss the topic! The news reporting seems to be that Snøhetta has been awarded a full design project, while the page at Meta says it should act as some form of facilitator. It could be interesting to know what is correct, as these two

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-18 Thread Amir Sarabadani
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 4:50 PM Pine W wrote: > > > I think that it's time for some people in WMF to move on. Without having > > access to WMF internal discussions So what you're saying is that you don't have lots of information on how it's decided [1] but you still feel informed enough to at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-18 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Earthfire and rustbuckets, can we please stop calling for people to be fired for doing their job, especially right after admitting that there is obviously more going on that we don't know about yet. No one's going to "start replacing employees" based on mailing list messages, so this kind of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-17 Thread Pine W
There are ways that Wikimedia rebranding consultations could be done collaboratively, politely, and with careful stewardship of donor's money. This is not one of them. I think that it's time for some people in WMF to move on. Without having access to WMF internal discussions, I don't know exactly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-17 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Fri, 17 Jan 2020 at 23:04, John Erling Blad wrote: > > This is out in several newspapers now. > > "Snøhetta shall create new visual profile for Wikipedia-owner" This edit made 10 January 2020, is relevant:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-17 Thread K. Peachey
Domain Registered on: 2020-01-02 Linked Wiki page is still getting edits: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project=history On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 at 09:36, Pine W wrote: > > Umm. > > Looking at https://brandingwikipedia.org/, I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-17 Thread Pine W
Umm. Looking at https://brandingwikipedia.org/, I wonder if this refers to WMF's ill-fated effort to rebrand Wikimedia as Wikipedia that I hope has been abandoned. I hope that WMF did not, without consulting the community or even having the courtesy to notify us, decide to launch another

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-17 Thread John Erling Blad
Note that "Dagens næringsliv" printed the story Thursday, so they must have had information about it before WMF left the meeting with Snøhetta. This is no longer a breaking story. On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 12:04 AM John Erling Blad wrote: > > This is out in several newspapers now. > > "Snøhetta

[Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-17 Thread John Erling Blad
This is out in several newspapers now. "Snøhetta shall create new visual profile for Wikipedia-owner" [1] A quick Google Translate dump The mission is the largest in the field of graphic design ever, writes Dagens Næringsliv. - For me personally, this is very big, but you see it in a larger