Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-09-23 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Erik Moeller, 17/04/2014 19:21: Yes, this is part of the reason why I'm considering a donation to them - they're definitely in start-up mode, and we want them to survive. We can continue to handle these kinds of gifts as a very rare, discretionary thing for now (and I may want to move forward

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-09-23 Thread Pine W
I can't recall the details of the discussion, but I think the suggestion was made for these grants to go through GAC in the future. I still think that makes sense, if GAC has the technical knoweledge to make informed decisions about these kinds of grants. Thanks, Pine On Sep 23, 2014 12:09 AM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-09-23 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Yes I agree, but this means that MariaDB must be financed because it's strategical. Financing MariaDB would be possible also to keep it open/free and to assure that Mediawiki runs in an open software. But I am answering to the generic question sponsorship/donations to other organizations saying

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-09-23 Thread rupert THURNER
just to make the broad support one voice broader, i agree that supporting the ecosystem as sj called is vital. i also like the term give back as wikipedia would not be the same without this ecosystem. rupert rupert Am 23.09.2014 11:42 schrieb Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org: On Tue, Sep 23, 2014

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-05-08 Thread Samuel Klein
Hello, I began to write a new thread about spam control, then remembered this recent one on a similar topic. Integrating spam control more deeply into all of our tools and services - including particularly MediaWiki - is important for many audiences. Is there an overview of current anti-spam

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-18 Thread Cristian Consonni
2014-04-18 0:46 GMT+02:00 Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org: * There is a specific need, a conference we could support, a developer event or something we could help out with. There is a clear goal, and it is one-time. We have a clear benefit. For example: helping OTRS to become less messy.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-18 Thread Tilman Bayer
Hi Cristian, On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-04-18 0:46 GMT+02:00 Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org: * There is a specific need, a conference we could support, a developer event or something we could help out with. There is a clear

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-17 Thread Yann Forget
+1 Yann 2014-04-16 2:02 GMT+05:30 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: On 15 April 2014 21:08, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: It's a difficult question. I'm in favour in general, and I think it's a good idea to support projects that we use and need the money. The problem I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-17 Thread Yann Forget
2014-04-16 2:10 GMT+05:30 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: (...) 2) We need a free toolchain that we can build upon and digitize / gather / curate / format / publish knowledge with. There are currently major gaps in this toolchain -- core projects and collaborations rely on non-free tools or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-17 Thread Andrew Gray
I think Steven's interpretation here is pretty sound - yes, it's legitimate for us to do this, but we should be a bit cautious :-) Infrastructure tools yes, GIMP probably not. Andrew. On 17 April 2014 04:10, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 12:50 PM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 April 2014 17:36, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I think Steven's interpretation here is pretty sound - yes, it's legitimate for us to do this, but we should be a bit cautious :-) Infrastructure tools yes, GIMP probably not. Inkscape, however ... we have such a huge

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-17 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: Seems like we really depend on MariaDB having strong support in the future, as an open source infrastructure requirement. We moved to Maria in part because Oracle is a terrible terrible steward of open source,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-17 Thread Chris Keating
This would be an interesting discussion to have in the next movement strategy process. I can see the attraction of doing this, but much better to think about it alongside questions like what are our collective goals, how much money do we want to have and the like. Regards, Chris On 15 Apr 2014

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-17 Thread Lodewijk
There are two kind of situations I can imagine where donating money without a grant request would make sense to me (aside from facilitating a fundraising): * There is a specific need, a conference we could support, a developer event or something we could help out with. There is a clear goal, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Frédéric Schütz sch...@mathgen.ch wrote: Within Wikimedia CH, this is an idea that we have discussed a few years ago: how can we support software and other communities that our community depends on, while avoiding to just give away money. In the end, we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Erik, there are cases in which this is clearly the right thing for us to do. 1) An annual 'supporting the ecosystem' program, that channels grants and visibility to important partners, seems interesting. Could this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread James Salsman
I would love to see the Foundation support archive.org and webcitation.org. I have seen dozens of community members express hopes for Foundation monetary support of both continued survival and faster response time for both. But I am not aware of any acknowledgement from the Foundation other than

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread Craig Franklin
I find myself in furious agreement with Charles here. For years the Foundation has been insisting (and quite rightly so) that allied organisations consider only the stark benefit-per-dollar that they can extract for each piece of movement funding, as measured by KPIs and metrics. Handing out

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread David Gerard
On 16 April 2014 13:03, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Grants directed to the development specific functionality that Wikimedia can use and which can later be included in other project's core offerings? Sure, I don't think anyone has a problem with that. But I think that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread Craig Franklin
I don't think the message of having a bit of discipline in your budget and making value-for-money a prime consideration is at all a bad thing for chapters to be doing. The way that the message was hammered in was at times arrogant, aggressive, or plain out insulting, but the message itself was a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread Cristian Consonni
Hi, I would like to point out a couple of points: * WMF or other affiliates can (and should, IMHO) look out for sponsorships towards other organisations worth supporting when there is the occasion, this is IMHO a legitimate activity (and investment) as any other, i.e. the sponsor gains the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread Nathan
Many of the chapters are still in startup mode - a challenge that the WMF should avoid when targeting organizations for sponsorship or donation. Perhaps more saliently, OSM, MariaDB, Internet Archive etc. are not representing the Wikimedia movement, aren't using Wikimedia trademarks, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread Mathias Damour
Le 16/04/2014 14:13, Craig Franklin a écrit : I don't think the message of having a bit of discipline in your budget and making value-for-money a prime consideration is at all a bad thing for chapters to be doing. The way that the message was hammered in was at times arrogant, aggressive, or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/15/2014 05:12 PM, David Gerard wrote: Yeah, one of the first things to do is to talk to these partner organisations (because they are partner organisations) and ask what would actually be helpful, rather than helpy One thing that Erik has not mentionned (probably because it simply

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread Quim Gil
At least about non-profit software organizations that we rely on (aka upstream projects), I agree with the idea of having a strategy of support and the sensible resources to support it. The easy part is to explain the principle and the strategy to our editors and donors. We got here because these

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 12:48 AM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: I would love to see the Foundation support archive.org and webcitation.org. I have seen dozens of community members express hopes for Foundation monetary support of both continued survival and faster response time for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-16 Thread Steven Walling
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On the software side, we have Ubuntu Linux (itself highly indebted to Debian) / Apache / MariaDB / PHP / Varnish / ElasticSearch / memcached / Puppet / OpenStack / various libraries and many other dependencies [2],

[Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-15 Thread Erik Moeller
Hi folks, I'd be interested in hearing broader community opinions about the extent to which WMF should sponsor non-profits purely to support work that Wikimedia benefits from, even if it's not directed towards a specific goal established in a grant agreement. This comes up from time to time. One

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-15 Thread Michael Peel
Hi Erik, I'd say 'maybe'. I think this sort of work is worth supporting in general, but the question should be whether providing the support would improve the content and/or provision of the Wikimedia projects. I'd like to see a good community-driven process that would determine whether such

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-15 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi folks, I'd be interested in hearing broader community opinions about the extent to which WMF should sponsor non-profits purely to support work that Wikimedia benefits from, even if it's not directed towards a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-15 Thread David Gerard
On 15 April 2014 20:50, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'd be interested in hearing broader community opinions about the extent to which WMF should sponsor non-profits purely to support work that Wikimedia benefits from, even if it's not directed towards a specific goal established in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-15 Thread David Gerard
On 15 April 2014 21:08, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: It's a difficult question. I'm in favour in general, and I think it's a good idea to support projects that we use and need the money. The problem I have with it (and that is absent in your points above) is in how far we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
There is a reason if the last precedent is in 2006. Search your mail archives for later discussions on FreeNode. Erik Moeller, 15/04/2014 21:50: MariaDB specifically invited WMF to become a sponsor, Do they only accept unrestricted donations? If not, they could consider that the WMF grants

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-15 Thread Kat Walsh
In general, I do think Wikimedia should do this. Briefly: Wikimedia is in an extremely fortunate position: it can raise all the money it needs from many small donors, and can expect to be able to do so continually into the future. This is partially because it is a great thing that many people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-15 Thread Samuel Klein
Hello Erik, there are cases in which this is clearly the right thing for us to do. 1) An annual 'supporting the ecosystem' program, that channels grants and visibility to important partners, seems interesting. Could this be implemented as a targeted grants program? Or just targeted outreach

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-15 Thread Sage Ross
TL;DR: Yes, I think we should be pro-actively putting significant financial resources into the open source ecosystems we rely on. Thanks Erik! This is a great discussion to have. As I see it, we have a whole lot of potential fundraising revenue that we leave unraised, simply because WMF doesn't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-15 Thread Kevin Gorman
Just mentioning it because David mentioned the Internet Archive. The IA is actively interested in collaborating with Wikimedia, and I think they have a lot to offer us - the reason nothing has come to fruition yet has been a combination of funding constraints and time constraints for everyone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-15 Thread Nathan
I agree with Mike Peel on 'maybe' - I think donations from the WMF to non-profit organizations could be great and very useful, but that the WMF should 1) ensure that the donations have a substantial impact (i.e. not $500 to ICRC, where WMF funds would get lost in a sea of other contributors), 2)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-15 Thread David Gerard
On 15 April 2014 21:57, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I'd also personally support in-kind donations (i.e. dedicate an FTE or portion of an FTE to integration work that benefits a non-profit, or implements a feature that is requested for a specific platform, etc.). Training or consultation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-15 Thread Charles Andrès
In a period where all the fund dissemination of the movement is driven by the question what's the impact on wikimedia project and a community-driven process, I would suggest that any redistribution of the funds done by the WMF would follow the same rules. Charles Le 15 avr. 2014 à 21:57,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sponsorship/donations to other organizations

2014-04-15 Thread Frédéric Schütz
Hi Erik, I personally like all these ideas a lot (and I also agree with most of the comments that have been made so far); in particular, the fact that you mention both the server and the client side (as well as other communities) is very appealing to me. Within Wikimedia CH, this is an idea that