Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strategic planning for conferences

[Pine W]

Hi Alex, per Dan's suggestion that I provide a reminder of the original
question, here is a reminder of part of what I wrote previously at
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2018-September/091113.html
.

"I think that it would be helpful to have a big picture understanding of
the goals, plans, and budgets for conferences collectively.

"As far as I know, these are the types of recurring conferences:

"(1) Wikimania, which seems to be a multi-purpose international conference,
with somewhat open admission if someone can afford to attend, is willing to
attend, and can get the necessary legal permissions;

"(2) the Wikimedia Summit (which I hope will get a name change to reflect
its actual scope, because it's not an all-Wikimedia summit) which will
focus on WMF, WMF committees that work with WMF affiliate organizations,and
WMF affiliate organizations;

"(3) thematic conferences, such as the Wikisource Conference;

"(4) regional conferences, such as WikiConference North America;

"(5) organization-specific meetings of various kinds, including affiliate
organizations' annual general meetings and WMF All Hands, and

"(6) the Wikimedia Technical Conference.

"I believe that WMF intended to do some strategic planning for the
collection of conferences as a part of the larger WMF-led strategic
planning process. Is this type of planning underway for conferences, and if
so can we get an update regarding what is happening?"

I would also like to know why my inquiries about this subject, which
started in late September 2018, have been substantively unanswered for over
four months despite my multiple requests. I don't expect anyone to
instantly stop what they're doing in order to answer a non-urgent email,
but I also don't expect four months of delay or for so many requests to be
necessary.

Thanks,

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strategic planning for conferences

[Dan Garry (Deskana)]

It may be helpful if you repeat the specific question you're asking. Right
now from your email I don't know what your question is other than asking
what the "strategy for conferences" is, which is so open and vague as to be
basically unanswerable. I think you have perhaps made your question clearer
in the past, but staff are quite frequently buried in so many emails that
more difficult to answer emails tend to languish. The easier you make it to
get an answer, the more likely you are to get one.

Dan

On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 23:37, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> I hope that you are doing well. I originally started this email thread on
> Wikimedia-l near the end of September 2018, and four months have passed. I
> am still hoping to hear an update about WMF's strategy for conferences. I
> am trying to be patient and considerate, but I think that you may
> understand that I have difficulty with the length of the delay here. It
> seems to me that questions like this should not take WMF four months to
> answer, and that no one should need to send repeated requests for
> information like this. Once in awhile someone might be on vacation or an
> email might get stuck in a draft folder so one additional reminder or
> request might be necessary, but I think that the situation with this email
> thread should not ever happen. In addition to my original questions
> regarding conference strategy, I would like to know what has caused the
> lengthy delay and the lack of responsiveness from WMF. I am trying to be
> patient, but there is a problem here.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strategic planning for conferences

[Pine W]

Hi Alex,

I hope that you are doing well. I originally started this email thread on
Wikimedia-l near the end of September 2018, and four months have passed. I
am still hoping to hear an update about WMF's strategy for conferences. I
am trying to be patient and considerate, but I think that you may
understand that I have difficulty with the length of the delay here. It
seems to me that questions like this should not take WMF four months to
answer, and that no one should need to send repeated requests for
information like this. Once in awhile someone might be on vacation or an
email might get stuck in a draft folder so one additional reminder or
request might be necessary, but I think that the situation with this email
thread should not ever happen. In addition to my original questions
regarding conference strategy, I would like to know what has caused the
lengthy delay and the lack of responsiveness from WMF. I am trying to be
patient, but there is a problem here.

Thanks,

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strategic planning for conferences

[Pine W]

Hi Alex,

I hope that your 2019 is starting well. You may remember this thread from
Wikimedia-l that I started near the end of September. Would you please
provide an update regarding strategic planning for conferences? I realize
that you may have several projects on your agenda including hiring a new
staff member, so perhaps this thread got lost in the shuffle.

Thanks,
Pine
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On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 4:59 PM Marti Johnson  wrote:

> Hi Pine,
>
> The Program Officer for Conference Grants does serve as a single point of
> contact for conference funding at the Wikimedia Foundation.  However, that
> position has been open for last several months and we've been undergoing a
> hiring process to fill it.
>
> I'm copying in Alex Wang, who oversees that position so she can respond to
> your questions.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Marti
>
>
>
>
> *Marti Johnson*
>
> *Pronouns: she/her/hersProgram Officer*
> *Individual Grants*
> *Wikimedia Foundation *
> *1 Montgomery, Ste. 1600*
> *San Francisco, CA  94104*
> +1 415-839-6885
> Skype: Mjohnson_WMF
>
> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
>  in the sum of all knowledge.  Help us make
> it
> a reality!
> Support Wikimedia
> 
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strategic planning for conferences

[Marti Johnson]

Hi Pine,

The Program Officer for Conference Grants does serve as a single point of
contact for conference funding at the Wikimedia Foundation.  However, that
position has been open for last several months and we've been undergoing a
hiring process to fill it.

I'm copying in Alex Wang, who oversees that position so she can respond to
your questions.

Kind regards,

Marti




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*Individual Grants*
*Wikimedia Foundation <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home>*
*1 Montgomery, Ste. 1600*
*San Francisco, CA  94104*
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On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 10:16 PM Pine W  wrote:

> Hi Ad,Thanks for pointing out that open position. I am glad that WMF seems
> to agree that at least some of these questions are worth asking and that
> WMF is willing to dedicate staff time for this purpose.This is not a job
> that I am seeking. I have too many disagreements and have had too many
> disappointing experiences with WMF to want to work for them in a staff
> role. Maybe that will change someday. I am already in the difficult
> position of wanting work to get done by staff and/or potential grantees (I
> include myself in the latter category) when I distrust WMF, and becoming an
> employee myself is unlikely to be something that I would agree to do. Some
> things and people are not for sale.I don't know what your qualifications
> for the job are, so I would feel uncomfortable saying one way or another
> whether I think that you are a good candidate. If you want to apply for it
> then I wish you good luck.Regards,Pine(
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>  Original message From: Ad Huikeshoven <
> ad.huikesho...@gmail.com> Date: 11/4/18  12:11 PM  (GMT-08:00) To:
> Wikimedia Mailing List  Subject: Re:
> [Wikimedia-l] Strategic planning for conferences hello Pine,Did you have a
> look at the events team manager job description? It is anopen position, so
> there is currently nobody at the wmf to answer yourquestion. For me the
> concept of 'event' is broader than the range ofconferences you described.
> Would you consider yourself as a candidate forthe position. Wpuld you
> consider me?greetings,AdOp zo 4 nov. 2018 20:58 schreef Pine W <
> wiki.p...@gmail.com:> Hello,>> My request from September has gone
> unanswered, so I am trying again. I> don't think that there is a single
> point of contact for conference funding> and strategy at WMF, but I think
> that there should be, and perhaps the lack> of such a person is why there
> hasn't been a response to this email. I don't> know who I should ping but
> I'm hoping that Katy can provide at least a> partial response, or direct
> this email to someone who can do so.>> Thanks,>> Pine> (
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )>>> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at
> 5:55 PM Pine W  wrote:>> > Mindful of the ongoing
> discussions about conferences, I think that it> > would be helpful to have
> a big picture understanding of the goals, plans,> > and budgets for
> conferences collectively.> >> > As far as I know, these are the types of
> recurring conferences:> >> > (1) Wikimania, which seems to be a
> multi-purpose international> conference,> > with somewhat open admission if
> someone can afford to attend, is willing> to> > attend, and can get the
> necessary legal permissions;> >> > (2) the Wikimedia Summit (which I hope
> will get a name change to reflect> > its actual scope, because it's not an
> all-Wikimedia summit) which will> > focus on WMF, WMF committees that work
> with WMF affiliate organizations,> > and WMF affiliate organizations;> >> >
> (3) thematic conferences, such as the Wikisource Conference;> >> > (4)
> regional conferences, such as WikiConference North America;> >> > (5)
> organization-specific meetings of various kinds, including affiliate> >
> organizations' annual general meetings and WMF All Hands, and> >> > (6) the
> Wikimedia Technical Conference.> >> > I believe that WMF intended to do
> some strategic planning for the> > collection of conferences as a part of
> the larger WMF-led strategic> > planning process. Is this type of planning
> underway for conferences, and> if> > so can we get an update from someone
> who is familiar with the situation?> If> > the person who will respond is a
> paid staff member, then please feel free> > to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strategic planning for conferences

[Pine W]

Hi Ad,Thanks for pointing out that open position. I am glad that WMF seems to 
agree that at least some of these questions are worth asking and that WMF is 
willing to dedicate staff time for this purpose.This is not a job that I am 
seeking. I have too many disagreements and have had too many disappointing 
experiences with WMF to want to work for them in a staff role. Maybe that will 
change someday. I am already in the difficult position of wanting work to get 
done by staff and/or potential grantees (I include myself in the latter 
category) when I distrust WMF, and becoming an employee myself is unlikely to 
be something that I would agree to do. Some things and people are not for 
sale.I don't know what your qualifications for the job are, so I would feel 
uncomfortable saying one way or another whether I think that you are a good 
candidate. If you want to apply for it then I wish you good luck.Regards,Pine( 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
 Original message From: Ad Huikeshoven 
 Date: 11/4/18  12:11 PM  (GMT-08:00) To: Wikimedia 
Mailing List  Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] 
Strategic planning for conferences hello Pine,Did you have a look at the events 
team manager job description? It is anopen position, so there is currently 
nobody at the wmf to answer yourquestion. For me the concept of 'event' is 
broader than the range ofconferences you described. Would you consider yourself 
as a candidate forthe position. Wpuld you consider me?greetings,AdOp zo 4 nov. 
2018 20:58 schreef Pine W  Hello,>> My request from 
September has gone unanswered, so I am trying again. I> don't think that there 
is a single point of contact for conference funding> and strategy at WMF, but I 
think that there should be, and perhaps the lack> of such a person is why there 
hasn't been a response to this email. I don't> know who I should ping but I'm 
hoping that Katy can provide at least a> partial response, or direct this email 
to someone who can do so.>> Thanks,>> Pine> ( 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )>>> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 5:55 PM 
Pine W  wrote:>> > Mindful of the ongoing discussions 
about conferences, I think that it> > would be helpful to have a big picture 
understanding of the goals, plans,> > and budgets for conferences 
collectively.> >> > As far as I know, these are the types of recurring 
conferences:> >> > (1) Wikimania, which seems to be a multi-purpose 
international> conference,> > with somewhat open admission if someone can 
afford to attend, is willing> to> > attend, and can get the necessary legal 
permissions;> >> > (2) the Wikimedia Summit (which I hope will get a name 
change to reflect> > its actual scope, because it's not an all-Wikimedia 
summit) which will> > focus on WMF, WMF committees that work with WMF affiliate 
organizations,> > and WMF affiliate organizations;> >> > (3) thematic 
conferences, such as the Wikisource Conference;> >> > (4) regional conferences, 
such as WikiConference North America;> >> > (5) organization-specific meetings 
of various kinds, including affiliate> > organizations' annual general meetings 
and WMF All Hands, and> >> > (6) the Wikimedia Technical Conference.> >> > I 
believe that WMF intended to do some strategic planning for the> > collection 
of conferences as a part of the larger WMF-led strategic> > planning process. 
Is this type of planning underway for conferences, and> if> > so can we get an 
update from someone who is familiar with the situation?> If> > the person who 
will respond is a paid staff member, then please feel free> > to wait to 
respond until a convenient workday next week. In the meantime,> > other people 
may wish to comment or ask questions.> >> > Thanks!> >> > Pine> > ( 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )> >> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strategic planning for conferences

[Ad Huikeshoven]

hello Pine,

Did you have a look at the events team manager job description? It is an
open position, so there is currently nobody at the wmf to answer your
question. For me the concept of 'event' is broader than the range of
conferences you described. Would you consider yourself as a candidate for
the position. Wpuld you consider me?

greetings,

Ad

Op zo 4 nov. 2018 20:58 schreef Pine W  Hello,
>
> My request from September has gone unanswered, so I am trying again. I
> don't think that there is a single point of contact for conference funding
> and strategy at WMF, but I think that there should be, and perhaps the lack
> of such a person is why there hasn't been a response to this email. I don't
> know who I should ping but I'm hoping that Katy can provide at least a
> partial response, or direct this email to someone who can do so.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 5:55 PM Pine W  wrote:
>
> > Mindful of the ongoing discussions about conferences, I think that it
> > would be helpful to have a big picture understanding of the goals, plans,
> > and budgets for conferences collectively.
> >
> > As far as I know, these are the types of recurring conferences:
> >
> > (1) Wikimania, which seems to be a multi-purpose international
> conference,
> > with somewhat open admission if someone can afford to attend, is willing
> to
> > attend, and can get the necessary legal permissions;
> >
> > (2) the Wikimedia Summit (which I hope will get a name change to reflect
> > its actual scope, because it's not an all-Wikimedia summit) which will
> > focus on WMF, WMF committees that work with WMF affiliate organizations,
> > and WMF affiliate organizations;
> >
> > (3) thematic conferences, such as the Wikisource Conference;
> >
> > (4) regional conferences, such as WikiConference North America;
> >
> > (5) organization-specific meetings of various kinds, including affiliate
> > organizations' annual general meetings and WMF All Hands, and
> >
> > (6) the Wikimedia Technical Conference.
> >
> > I believe that WMF intended to do some strategic planning for the
> > collection of conferences as a part of the larger WMF-led strategic
> > planning process. Is this type of planning underway for conferences, and
> if
> > so can we get an update from someone who is familiar with the situation?
> If
> > the person who will respond is a paid staff member, then please feel free
> > to wait to respond until a convenient workday next week. In the meantime,
> > other people may wish to comment or ask questions.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Pine
> > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strategic planning for conferences

[Pine W]

Hello,

My request from September has gone unanswered, so I am trying again. I
don't think that there is a single point of contact for conference funding
and strategy at WMF, but I think that there should be, and perhaps the lack
of such a person is why there hasn't been a response to this email. I don't
know who I should ping but I'm hoping that Katy can provide at least a
partial response, or direct this email to someone who can do so.

Thanks,

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )


On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 5:55 PM Pine W  wrote:

> Mindful of the ongoing discussions about conferences, I think that it
> would be helpful to have a big picture understanding of the goals, plans,
> and budgets for conferences collectively.
>
> As far as I know, these are the types of recurring conferences:
>
> (1) Wikimania, which seems to be a multi-purpose international conference,
> with somewhat open admission if someone can afford to attend, is willing to
> attend, and can get the necessary legal permissions;
>
> (2) the Wikimedia Summit (which I hope will get a name change to reflect
> its actual scope, because it's not an all-Wikimedia summit) which will
> focus on WMF, WMF committees that work with WMF affiliate organizations,
> and WMF affiliate organizations;
>
> (3) thematic conferences, such as the Wikisource Conference;
>
> (4) regional conferences, such as WikiConference North America;
>
> (5) organization-specific meetings of various kinds, including affiliate
> organizations' annual general meetings and WMF All Hands, and
>
> (6) the Wikimedia Technical Conference.
>
> I believe that WMF intended to do some strategic planning for the
> collection of conferences as a part of the larger WMF-led strategic
> planning process. Is this type of planning underway for conferences, and if
> so can we get an update from someone who is familiar with the situation? If
> the person who will respond is a paid staff member, then please feel free
> to wait to respond until a convenient workday next week. In the meantime,
> other people may wish to comment or ask questions.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Pine
> ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Strategic planning for conferences

[Pine W]

 Mindful of the ongoing discussions about conferences, I think that it
would be helpful to have a big picture understanding of the goals, plans,
and budgets for conferences collectively.

As far as I know, these are the types of recurring conferences:

(1) Wikimania, which seems to be a multi-purpose international conference,
with somewhat open admission if someone can afford to attend, is willing to
attend, and can get the necessary legal permissions;

(2) the Wikimedia Summit (which I hope will get a name change to reflect
its actual scope, because it's not an all-Wikimedia summit) which will
focus on WMF, WMF committees that work with WMF affiliate organizations,
and WMF affiliate organizations;

(3) thematic conferences, such as the Wikisource Conference;

(4) regional conferences, such as WikiConference North America;

(5) organization-specific meetings of various kinds, including affiliate
organizations' annual general meetings and WMF All Hands, and

(6) the Wikimedia Technical Conference.

I believe that WMF intended to do some strategic planning for the
collection of conferences as a part of the larger WMF-led strategic
planning process. Is this type of planning underway for conferences, and if
so can we get an update from someone who is familiar with the situation? If
the person who will respond is a paid staff member, then please feel free
to wait to respond until a convenient workday next week. In the meantime,
other people may wish to comment or ask questions.

Thanks!

Pine
( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine )
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