[Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-28 Thread Andrew Gray
On Monday, 21 May 2012, Samuel Klein wrote: O'Reilly is offering works under 14 years (c), thence CC-by Campaign idea: set up a named class of license for friendly groups like O'Reilly that are committing to 14 years, which are defined by terming out in no more than 14 years to CC0 or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-28 Thread John Vandenberg
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On Monday, 21 May 2012, Samuel Klein wrote: O'Reilly is offering works under 14 years (c), thence CC-by Campaign idea: set up a named class of license for friendly groups like O'Reilly that are committing to 14

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-28 Thread Tom Morris
On 28 May 2012 22:37, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to see -NC and -ND dropped from the CC catalog, but I doubt its going to happen. It would be nice if -NC and -ND had a time limit on them, after which the work becomes CC-BY or CC-BY-SA. Although NC and ND cause pain

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-23 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:21 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 May 2012 08:16, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 May 2012 01:37, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: People dont care about Sonny Bono, so it wont get any prominence. Most people dont care about copyright.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-23 Thread George Herbert
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Mike Linksvayer m...@gondwanaland.com wrote: Maximising artistic production is a terrible goal for policy. Why? The whole idea of copyright - as the US started seeing it, in our constitution and thence onwards, is properly rewarding creative people for their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-23 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:33 AM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.comwrote: Nobody's made a big public case for any shorter term. That's a mistake. The whole CC and free content movement needs to step up. We need Cory and other luminaries advocating for a sane term, and 14 is a good

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-23 Thread geni
On 23 May 2012 08:46, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: That's why a term that doesn't blatantly take the piss might have a chance, yes. 14 years may be all they end up getting. Why? Thats not going to help people who want to see game of thrones without an HBO subscription or want to see

[Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread David Gerard
From Rick Falkvinge, an English-language writeup of a Swedish study: http://falkvinge.net/2012/05/21/study-despite-tougher-copyright-monopoly-laws-sharing-remains-pervasive/ http://svt.se/nyheter/fortsatt-fildelning-trots-skarpt-lag (Swedish news report) 61% of 15-25-year-olds in Sweden

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Johan Jönsson
2012/5/21 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: From Rick Falkvinge, an English-language writeup of a Swedish study: http://falkvinge.net/2012/05/21/study-despite-tougher-copyright-monopoly-laws-sharing-remains-pervasive/ http://svt.se/nyheter/fortsatt-fildelning-trots-skarpt-lag (Swedish news

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread geni
On 21 May 2012 13:09, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: From Rick Falkvinge, an English-language writeup of a Swedish study: http://falkvinge.net/2012/05/21/study-despite-tougher-copyright-monopoly-laws-sharing-remains-pervasive/ http://svt.se/nyheter/fortsatt-fildelning-trots-skarpt-lag

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Sarah Stierch
On 5/21/12 9:31 AM, geni wrote: On 21 May 2012 13:09, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: From Rick Falkvinge, an English-language writeup of a Swedish study: http://falkvinge.net/2012/05/21/study-despite-tougher-copyright-monopoly-laws-sharing-remains-pervasive/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:31 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 May 2012 13:09, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: So, is the time ripe yet for us to start pushing for a 14-year term, or do we wait a bit? I suggest we start contemplating it, however. The most pirated bit of content at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Richard Symonds
FWIW, I'd like to see things being released more freely internationally, irrespective of copyright. At present, I can either pirate the Colbert Report, or watch it through a proxy using a US netflix account which I pay for using a US bank account. It isn't shown anywhere in the UK. Richard

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 May 2012 18:59, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think the right term here is 0 years.  It is also not life + 70.  Perhaps 7 + 7. I suggested 14 as a likely figure because that figure is already in common currency - as it was the term in the UK (Statute of Anne) and in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Samuel Klein
14 years is a fine place to start. Are there any existing campaigns pushing for it? S. On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:22 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 May 2012 18:59, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think the right term here is 0 years.  It is also not life + 70.  

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Mike Dupont
What I really find upsetting is that PBS produces videos that cannot be watched out side of the states, it really upsets me. Also in germany, it is just unbearable, these copyright trolls called GEMA take away all the fun of youtube. mike On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Richard Symonds

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread emijrp
Lol, 14 years term. Good luck. That is a lost battle. I think that the useful approach is to spread the word about free licenses, that allow to use content NOW. 2012/5/21 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com 14 years is a fine place to start. Are there any existing campaigns pushing for it? S.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 May 2012 20:30, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: 14 years is a fine place to start.  Are there any existing campaigns pushing for it?  S. Now that I'm looking, I can't find any campaigns as such! I thought the Pirate Parties asked for 14 years, but I'm wrong: the Swedish party

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Mike Linksvayer
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: FWIW, I'd like to see things being released more freely internationally, irrespective of copyright. At present, I can either pirate the Colbert Report, or watch it through a proxy using a US netflix account

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread David Gerard
On 21 May 2012 20:59, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: We need a shorter term *for free licenses*. Right now those licenses piggyback on an unreasonably long-term notion of exclusive authorial control of reuse. People who support free knowledge and free licenses should be among the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Todd Allen
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:42 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 May 2012 20:30, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: 14 years is a fine place to start.  Are there any existing campaigns pushing for it?  S. Now that I'm looking, I can't find any campaigns as such! I thought

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Samuel Klein
I like the cc-licenses list thread you linked, Mike; thank you. I take it that thread didn't continue past December? I agree generally with the points Greg London was making there: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/cc-licenses/2011-December/006472.html For me the central value in choosing a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* David Gerard wrote: So, is the time ripe yet for us to start pushing for a 14-year term, or do we wait a bit? I suggest we start contemplating it, however. You don't say who we are, but in case some people think the Wikimedia Foundation should position itself on copyright matters much beyond

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Study: Nobody cares about your copyright

2012-05-21 Thread Johan Jönsson
2012/5/22 Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net: You don't say who we are, but in case some people think the Wikimedia Foundation should position itself on copyright matters much beyond which licenses it is using and why, and which problems Wikipedia might be facing due to various aspects of