Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-08 Thread pi zero
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Neil Harris wrote: > That's fantastic, represents a huge vote of confidence for the Wiki Way, > and is a big move towards improving the relationship between the WMF and > the community. > Just to keep things in perspective: the removal of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-08 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 8:04 AM, pi zero wrote: > In > other words, it wasn't removed because it shouldn't have been imposed in > the first place, but merely because it wasn't used. Is it good that it was > removed? Sure, it's better to have had it removed than not. But

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-08 Thread Quim Gil
Hi pi zero, On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:04 PM, pi zero wrote: > it wasn't removed because it shouldn't have been imposed in > the first place, but merely because it wasn't used. I'm sorry if my wording could suggest this interpretation. I just wanted to provide basic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-08 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Nov 8, 2015 9:34 PM, "Quim Gil" wrote: > the Q included more details: > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_product_development_process/2015-11-05#When_has_been_Superprotect_used.3F > > The main reason to act upon Superprotect now is the updated product > development

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-08 Thread Quim Gil
Hi Andy, On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:04 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: > Referring to "misbehaviour" in this context is extremely offensive; the > initial use of superprotect was not a response to "misbehaviour". > Changed for the more precise and descriptive term "irregular

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-08 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Thanks for the explanations. I always thought of the Superprotect function as a technical way to react in a social-legal space of tension. A discussion about the technical function is much less interesting than about the real issue, of how to improve the MediaWiki software with regard to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-06 Thread Neil Harris
On 05/11/15 17:35, Quim Gil wrote: Superprotect [1] was introduced by the Wikimedia Foundation to resolve a product development disagreement. We have not used it for resolving a dispute since. Consequently, today we are removing Superprotect from Wikimedia servers. Without Superprotect, a

[Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Quim Gil
Superprotect [1] was introduced by the Wikimedia Foundation to resolve a product development disagreement. We have not used it for resolving a dispute since. Consequently, today we are removing Superprotect from Wikimedia servers. Without Superprotect, a symbolic point of tension is resolved.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Sam Klein
Thank you. On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > Superprotect [1] was introduced by the Wikimedia Foundation to resolve a > product development disagreement. We have not used it for resolving a > dispute since. Consequently, today we are removing Superprotect

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Laurentius wrote: > Just to understand, is it still present in MediaWiki but not active on > Wikimedia sites or it not in the MediaWiki code anymore? > It never was in the MediaWiki code to begin with. It was just a particular

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Tito Dutta
That's an interesting update. Thanks for sharing. -- Tito On 5 November 2015 at 23:05, Quim Gil wrote: > Superprotect [1] was introduced by the Wikimedia Foundation to resolve a > product development disagreement. We have not used it for resolving a > dispute since.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Laurentius
Il giorno gio, 05/11/2015 alle 18.35 +0100, Quim Gil ha scritto: > Superprotect [1] was introduced by the Wikimedia Foundation to resolve > a > product development disagreement. We have not used it for resolving a > dispute since. Consequently, today we are removing Superprotect from > Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Chris Keating
Yay! Great news about Superprotect's scrapping, also really good to hear the direction of travel on the development process. Chris On 5 Nov 2015 17:36, "Quim Gil" wrote: > Superprotect [1] was introduced by the Wikimedia Foundation to resolve a > product development

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Dan Garry
On 5 November 2015 at 10:14, Laurentius wrote: > Just to understand, is it still present in MediaWiki but not active on > Wikimedia sites or it not in the MediaWiki code anymore? > There was a patch merged which removed the protection level completely:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Leila Zia
great news, indeed! Thanks to everyone involved during the different stages of this process for making this happen. :-) Leila On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote: > \o/ > >A. > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Dan Garry wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Bodhisattwa Mandal
At last it is gone. Great news. Looking forward. Bodhisattwa On 6 Nov 2015 00:40, "Pierre-Selim" wrote: > It's a great news to hear that superprotect is gone and the willingness of > a better collaboration. > It's a long-awaited move. > > 2015-11-05 20:03 GMT+01:00

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Pierre-Selim
It's a great news to hear that superprotect is gone and the willingness of a better collaboration. It's a long-awaited move. 2015-11-05 20:03 GMT+01:00 Chris Keating : > Yay! Great news about Superprotect's scrapping, also really good to hear > the direction of travel

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Asaf Bartov
\o/ A. On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Dan Garry wrote: > On 5 November 2015 at 10:14, Laurentius wrote: > > > Just to understand, is it still present in MediaWiki but not active on > > Wikimedia sites or it not in the MediaWiki code

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Todd Allen
Yes indeed, thank you. On Nov 5, 2015 10:36 AM, "Quim Gil" wrote: > Superprotect [1] was introduced by the Wikimedia Foundation to resolve a > product development disagreement. We have not used it for resolving a > dispute since. Consequently, today we are removing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Brion Vibber
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Laurentius wrote: > Il giorno gio, 05/11/2015 alle 18.35 +0100, Quim Gil ha scritto: > > Superprotect [1] was introduced by the Wikimedia Foundation to resolve > > a > > product development disagreement. We have not used it for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 2015-11-05 18:35, Quim Gil wrote: Superprotect [1] was introduced by the Wikimedia Foundation to resolve a product development disagreement. We have not used it for resolving a dispute since. Consequently, today we are removing Superprotect from Wikimedia servers. Great, thank you, it is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread MZMcBride
Brion Vibber wrote: >In other words -- ignore the superprotect red herring! Please look at the >documentation of the product process and give feedback on that, it's much, >MUCH more important: > >https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_Product_Development_Process Great news to read that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Pete Forsyth
Thank you for sharing the news, Quim. Following Quim's announcement, there was also, for the first time since nearly 1,000 Wikimedians requested the Foundation address this issue in 2014,[1] a formal statement about it from the organization's leadership. Executive Director Lila Tretikov said

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Craig Franklin
Good riddance to a bad mistake. Hopefully the underlying causes of the MediaViewer conflict can be addressed before any other incidents of this nature occur. Cheers, Craig On 06/11/2015 3:36 AM, "Quim Gil" wrote: > Superprotect [1] was introduced by the Wikimedia Foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect is gone

2015-11-05 Thread Ricordisamoa
Hi Quim, you really made my day. :-) Il 05/11/2015 18:35, Quim Gil ha scritto: Superprotect [1] was introduced by the Wikimedia Foundation to resolve a product development disagreement. We have not used it for resolving a dispute since. Consequently, today we are removing Superprotect from