Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Gap

2013-12-10 Thread Delirium
In terms of specific articles to create, there is also 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles


That project collects articles that exist in wide range of other 
encyclopedias, but don't yet exist on Wikipedia. However that's not 
covering quite the same concerns as the systemic-bias discussion, since 
many of those encyclopedias themselves have similar biases. Nonetheless 
this kind of comparison can be useful to find specific gaps in coverage 
that, equally importantly, are actionable in the sense that at least 
one source to base an article on exists.


-Mark

On 12/9/13, 9:07 PM, Peter Coombe wrote:

The English Wikipedia has attempted a (non-exhaustive) list at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Systemic_bias

Peter


On 9 December 2013 07:35, Romaine Wiki romaine_w...@yahoo.com wrote:


In various research and media articles is written that in several subject
groups Wikipedia is missing a lot of articles and those groups are
relatively unrepresented.

How can we as Wikipedia get clear which subject groups are missing?

How can we get lists of less represented subject groups and the articles
in those groups?

Let us get practical, ow can we fill the gap?


Greetings,
Romaine

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Gap

2013-12-10 Thread Rand McRanderson
I wonder if we could do a survey of readers from underrepresented groups.
Even if a group is underrepresented as editors that doesn't mean they ate
underrepresented as readers (for example women) (plus survey results could
be cited in potential deletion discussions)

We may want to think about the WMF giving grants organizations that are
doing research into the history and sociology etc. of these groups, so that
the body of citable evidence becomes greater.
On Dec 10, 2013 8:43 AM, Delirium delir...@hackish.org wrote:

 In terms of specific articles to create, there is also
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_
 encyclopedic_articles

 That project collects articles that exist in wide range of other
 encyclopedias, but don't yet exist on Wikipedia. However that's not
 covering quite the same concerns as the systemic-bias discussion, since
 many of those encyclopedias themselves have similar biases. Nonetheless
 this kind of comparison can be useful to find specific gaps in coverage
 that, equally importantly, are actionable in the sense that at least one
 source to base an article on exists.

 -Mark

 On 12/9/13, 9:07 PM, Peter Coombe wrote:

 The English Wikipedia has attempted a (non-exhaustive) list at
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Systemic_bias

 Peter


 On 9 December 2013 07:35, Romaine Wiki romaine_w...@yahoo.com wrote:

  In various research and media articles is written that in several subject
 groups Wikipedia is missing a lot of articles and those groups are
 relatively unrepresented.

 How can we as Wikipedia get clear which subject groups are missing?

 How can we get lists of less represented subject groups and the articles
 in those groups?

 Let us get practical, ow can we fill the gap?


 Greetings,
 Romaine

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Gap

2013-12-10 Thread Dennis During
English Wiktionary has made a modest step toward ameliorating the FUll Text
On the Net bias by reducing for less-attested languages  the requirement
for three citations of a word in use to just one.  The result is more
coverage at somewhat greater risk of making a mistake in the entry
(misspelling, wrong definition, etc).  Similar tradeoffs must exist for
other wikis.  En.wikt tends to be more tolerant, if not exactly welcoming,
of contributors of entries in underrepresented languages, many of which do
not have their own wikis, than it is of would-be contributors of English
entries.

As I see it, What en.wikt has done seems reasonable within the scope of
what volunteers can do and are willing to do.  A dictionary with trained
linguists contributing has an offsetting bias toward preserving smaller
languages, which serve as data for linguistic theory.

In my opinion, we also have other biases.  We have a subject matter bias
toward computer, mathematics, chemistry, and linguistics jargon and against
jargon from other fields.  Our coverage of Afro-American Vernacular English
lags and is incomplete even for older terms.  Our definitions are often
worded for graduate students or at least college students.  We have an
antiquarian and literary bias as well.  I am certain that I am blind to
many other biases.

We would welcome constructive ideas about further steps or ideas on how
en.wikt could be a better resource.



On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Delirium delir...@hackish.org wrote:

 In terms of specific articles to create, there is also
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_
 encyclopedic_articles

 That project collects articles that exist in wide range of other
 encyclopedias, but don't yet exist on Wikipedia. However that's not
 covering quite the same concerns as the systemic-bias discussion, since
 many of those encyclopedias themselves have similar biases. Nonetheless
 this kind of comparison can be useful to find specific gaps in coverage
 that, equally importantly, are actionable in the sense that at least one
 source to base an article on exists.

 -Mark


 On 12/9/13, 9:07 PM, Peter Coombe wrote:

 The English Wikipedia has attempted a (non-exhaustive) list at
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Systemic_bias

 Peter


 On 9 December 2013 07:35, Romaine Wiki romaine_w...@yahoo.com wrote:

  In various research and media articles is written that in several subject
 groups Wikipedia is missing a lot of articles and those groups are
 relatively unrepresented.

 How can we as Wikipedia get clear which subject groups are missing?

 How can we get lists of less represented subject groups and the articles
 in those groups?

 Let us get practical, ow can we fill the gap?


 Greetings,
 Romaine

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[Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Gap

2013-12-09 Thread Romaine Wiki
In various research and media articles is written that in several subject 
groups Wikipedia is missing a lot of articles and those groups are relatively 
unrepresented.

How can we as Wikipedia get clear which subject groups are missing?

How can we get lists of less represented subject groups and the articles in 
those groups?

Let us get practical, ow can we fill the gap?


Greetings,
Romaine

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Gap

2013-12-09 Thread Anders Wennersten
There are probably be some common trends over all language version like 
we are stronger in areas like Server software and Skateboard tricks then 
Fashion and Cosmetics. But to really find the weak areas you need to 
find out  this by each language version. And here I believe we will find 
quite different strong and weak subject areas. Sv:wp is weak related to 
medicine articles which are vey strong in en:wp for example.


Anders




Romaine Wiki skrev 2013-12-09 16:35:

In various research and media articles is written that in several subject 
groups Wikipedia is missing a lot of articles and those groups are relatively 
unrepresented.

How can we as Wikipedia get clear which subject groups are missing?

How can we get lists of less represented subject groups and the articles in 
those groups?

Let us get practical, ow can we fill the gap?


Greetings,
Romaine

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Gap

2013-12-09 Thread Peter Coombe
The English Wikipedia has attempted a (non-exhaustive) list at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Systemic_bias

Peter


On 9 December 2013 07:35, Romaine Wiki romaine_w...@yahoo.com wrote:

 In various research and media articles is written that in several subject
 groups Wikipedia is missing a lot of articles and those groups are
 relatively unrepresented.

 How can we as Wikipedia get clear which subject groups are missing?

 How can we get lists of less represented subject groups and the articles
 in those groups?

 Let us get practical, ow can we fill the gap?


 Greetings,
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