Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Rui Correia
I've have my setting on receive copy of own emails, but did not receive this email that I sent out. Can someone please confirm? Regards, On 22 July 2013 18:02, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote: Dear All It is certainly not news that a lot of deliberately biased editing goes on on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread David Gerard
On 23 July 2013 12:07, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote: I've have my setting on receive copy of own emails, but did not receive this email that I sent out. Can someone please confirm? It went out. What you're seeing is that GMail refuses to show you messages you sent to a list, even

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Rui Correia
Thanks, David. Much appreciated. For what it is worth, I am part of two Yahoo! Groups mailing lists for translators, which I receive via GM - from the one I get back my own email, from the other not. Go figure. Regards, Rui On 23 July 2013 13:10, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 23

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Bauder
I just checked the archives. The original message was not received by the mailing list, for whatever reason, probably misaddressed. This message of inquiry is the first message in the tread. I think you should resend the original message if your mail program permits that. Sounds interesting...

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Bauder
I just checked the archives. The original message was not received by the mailing list, for whatever reason, probably misaddressed. This message of inquiry is the first message in the tread. I think you should resend the original message if your mail program permits that. Sounds interesting...

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Rui, There are four answers I could give you. See whether you like any of them: *Answer the First* This problem has existed ever since Wikipedia became visible enough for agenda-driven editors to bother with it, and people have made complaints like yours ever since. Nothing has changed, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Todd Allen
*Answer the Second* * * This sort of thing is handled much better in the German Wikipedia. In the German Wikipedia, companies can edit with verified company accounts: so that if Coca-Cola Germany edits the Coca-Cola article, it will actually say Coca Cola Germany in the edit history.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Bauder
On 07/23/2013 02:03 PM, Todd Allen wrote: I don't think such a proposal would be hopeless on en. How did dewiki circumvent the difficulties regarding attribution and role accounts? Last I checked, our terms of use prohibit password sharing, and IIRC Mike Godwin (legal counsel at the time)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Rui Correia
Thanks Andreas. I appreciate that you took the time to write such detailed scenarios. What you say about WP-DE is certainly very interesting. As for your comment about Flickr does a fairly good job of showing nudity and porn only to the people who – quite legitimately – want to view it, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Marc, The page I linked to says in part: It goes without saying that using the process described we are also unable to verify the identity of the person(s) behind the user account. (Es versteht sich von selbst, dass wir mit dem beschriebenen Verfahren auch nicht die Identität der hinter dem

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Rui, The only NSFW results I am able to get in Google for such a search are cases where the Flickr uploader failed to categorise the image correctly. Flickr take a very dim view of such people. You can report them, and if they don't comply with site rules, it quickly results in account

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Rui Correia
Thanks Andreas Iit didn't cross my mind that you would actually go and check - at the time the search terms were in Portuguese, so you will probably find different results - If I find the original pic I will send it to you. But more importantly, the porn on Flickr is a secondary issue - the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Rui Correia
Found the pic - will mail you off-list - definite NSFW! Rui On 24 July 2013 03:21, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Rui, The only NSFW results I am able to get in Google for such a search are cases where the Flickr uploader failed to categorise the image correctly. Flickr take a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Fred Bauder
Thanks Andreas Iit didn't cross my mind that you would actually go and check - at the time the search terms were in Portuguese, so you will probably find different results - If I find the original pic I will send it to you. But more importantly, the porn on Flickr is a secondary issue -

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-23 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Andreas Iit didn't cross my mind that you would actually go and check - at the time the search terms were in Portuguese, so you will probably find different results - If I find the original pic I will send it to

[Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

2013-07-22 Thread Rui Correia
Dear All It is certainly not news that a lot of deliberately biased editing goes on on the Wikipedia. It is equally known that there are mechanims to address these issues. But that is where the problem lies - those intent on skewing information know all the tricks and loopholes, whereas neutral