Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-29 Thread Michael Maggs
I and others have added some more arguments to the Meta page which addresses the points made by the proponents of 'non-commercial' only harmonisation: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Panorama_2015_EVA_GESAC#Comment To widen our statements in support of full freedom, it would be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-28 Thread Carcharoth
These are excellent points raised by Michael Maggs. The bit about non-commercial licenses in particular. That has always been difficult to explain to people who are quite happy for Wikipedia to use their images or images of their works, but don't want people to profit commercially from those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-23 Thread
On 23 June 2015 at 09:00, Petr Kadlec petr.kad...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: Under this new law, would images already uploaded to Commons under FOP actually have to be deleted? Surely the new law wouldn't apply retrospectively, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-23 Thread Petr Kadlec
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: Under this new law, would images already uploaded to Commons under FOP actually have to be deleted? Surely the new law wouldn't apply retrospectively, but would just affect future uploads of photos? Retroactively as in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Newyorkbrad
Just out of curiosity, if this legislation were to pass in Europe, and (for example) an American tourist took a photograph of a covered building in Europe and posted it when he or she arrived back in the U.S., would it be deleted on the ground that the image was non-free at the site, or kept on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Gergő Tisza
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com wrote: Just out of curiosity, if this legislation were to pass in Europe, and (for example) an American tourist took a photograph of a covered building in Europe and posted it when he or she arrived back in the U.S., would it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 2015-06-22 19:07, Gergő Tisza wrote: On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 8:16 AM, Newyorkbrad newyorkb...@gmail.com wrote: Just out of curiosity, if this legislation were to pass in Europe, and (for example) an American tourist took a photograph of a covered building in Europe and posted it when he or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Sam Klein
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, considering how effective the blackout was for SOPA, I think another action based on the most prominent images we stand to lose would be in order. So the take on the London Eye and maybe some popular buildings,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Gergő Tisza
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 5:17 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: Yes I agree an example of what Wikipedia would look like if this regulation passed is an excellent idea. Could we base it on the geo tags? It could be quite hard to figure out what exactly is affected (which is one of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Sam Klein
You could find candidates in the most popular images and tag them by hand. If it seems /possible/ that the image is affected, it could be faded out. As you say, that might be enough for it to be removed. If it is /likely/ that it is affected, it could be lightboxed or replaced. Julia Reda, the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Andrea Zanni
FWIW, today WIkimedia Italia had a Barcamp at the Italian Parliament to talk about Wiki Loves Monuments, FOP (which we already don't have) and related stuff. Several politicians were present and we discussed also this matter. They already alerted their MEPs. Hopefully this will contribute to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Michael Peel
Under this new law, would images already uploaded to Commons under FOP actually have to be deleted? Surely the new law wouldn't apply retrospectively, but would just affect future uploads of photos? Personally, I view this as a much more direct threat to our content than SOPA was. I found it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Ricordisamoa
I introduce you FopThreat.js https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ricordisamoa/FopThreat.js, which blackens Commons files whose description pages include one of the FoP templates https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:FoP_templates. It uses Tool Labs so it may not be properly suitable for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Stevie Benton
Owen is one of the folks who is helping to draft the letter we're writing here in the UK (and ORG will be one of the co-signatories). On 22 June 2015 at 10:03, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Owen Blacker (Wikipedian, and Open Rights Group board member) has a blog post on the subject:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Jane Darnell
Actually, considering how effective the blackout was for SOPA, I think another action based on the most prominent images we stand to lose would be in order. So the take on the London Eye and maybe some popular buildings, art and bridges in Euro-FoP countries? I don't know if you could rig a java

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Pine W
Pinging Mark H. in the Multimedia Team to ask about the feasability of Jane's clever suggestion. Pine On Jun 22, 2015 12:21 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, considering how effective the blackout was for SOPA, I think another action based on the most prominent images we stand

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Stevie Benton
Really like the idea of flagging certain images with a light box, I think it's very clever. I know that some chapter staff and volunteers are working really hard to get some traction on this important issue Wikimedia UK is leading on a letter to the press which will be signed by other cultural

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread David Gerard
Owen Blacker (Wikipedian, and Open Rights Group board member) has a blog post on the subject: https://medium.com/@owenblacker/freedom-of-panorama-is-under-attack-6cc5353b4f65 On 22 June 2015 at 09:46, Stevie Benton stevie.ben...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Really like the idea of flagging certain

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Michael Maggs
This has been mentioned before by Dimi, but bears repeating. While we may all think it's *outrageous* that tens of thousands of images may have to be deleted from Commons, we do have to make sure we have messages that will resonate with those who don't agree with us or who don't care. If our

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread Anders Wennersten
On our Village pump a not so active user states he called the office of Monsiuer Cavadas and talked with his secretary. And that she said the aim of the proposal is to keep status as it is today. That in France and Belgium they will keep restrictions for commercial use of panorama images, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread
On 22 June 2015 at 13:17, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: Yes I agree an example of what Wikipedia would look like if this regulation passed is an excellent idea. Could we base it on the geo tags? Geotags on their own would be haphazard apart from certain types of Wikipedia articles,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-22 Thread James Heilman
Yes I agree an example of what Wikipedia would look like if this regulation passed is an excellent idea. Could we base it on the geo tags? -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian Starting July 2015 I am a board member of the Wikimedia Foundation My emails; however, do not represent the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-21 Thread Pine W
Are WMF and the European affiliates allowed to lobby regarding this issue? If so, what are they doing? Thanks, Pine On Jun 21, 2015 6:03 AM, Romaine Wiki romaine.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, This concerns all the editors and readers in the European Union and those in other European

[Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-21 Thread Romaine Wiki
Hi all, This concerns all the editors and readers in the European Union and those in other European countries as well (copying is possible). *Subject* Copyrights reform in Europe going in the wrong direction, damaging Wikipedia. *What is going on?* In the European Parliament currently a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

2015-06-21 Thread Sam Klein
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Are WMF and the European affiliates allowed to lobby regarding this issue? The WMF could lobby or support lobbying on such an issue. It is eligible to spend up to $1M per year tax-free on lobbying. But I don't believe it has