Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timeless: a grant proposal

[Isarra Yos]

Isn't Wikidata mostly just used for language links on Wikimedia 
projects? That doesn't really affect the skin much.


-I

On 01/04/17 10:01, Szymon Grabarczuk wrote:

Gerard mentioned Wikidata, which collects interwiki and is a cross-wiki
database, so to me it's clear that by "multiple projects" he meant just
Wikimedia projects. This is specifically about focusing on cross-wiki
collaboration.

Well, an interesting point. That issue is one of main points of our
strategy consultations.

*Szymon Grabarczuk*

Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU
Head of R Group, Wikimedia Polska
pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_Lócesilion


On 1 April 2017 at 05:18, Isarra Yos  wrote:


I'm a bit confused what you're asking. My proposal should be covering
exactly what I aim to achieve. What, specifically, is unclear? Let me know
and I'll do what I can to improve it.

By 'other projects' do you mean third-party MediaWiki installs? I'm afraid
right now the scope of the grant really only covers usage on Wikimedia
projects, though wider applicability and adoption of Timeless is of course
something quite important to me personally, and I'm glad to see interest on
this list.

-I


On 29/03/17 07:02, Gerard Meijssen wrote:


Hoi,
What remains unclear is what it is that you aim to achieve. There are
great
possibilities possible but there has to be a focus.

One such focus would be that it helps us focus on the relations that an
article has with with other articles. They are all or should all be
related
in Wikidata anyway. With a skin that helps in determining this you have a
reason for another skin, a skin that will achieve greater quality for
multiple projects. The only question I have is how your skin would work
for
other projects.
Thanks,
   GerardM

On 29 March 2017 at 04:01, Isarra Yos  wrote:

Hi,

I'm Isarra, a volunteer MediaWiki developer, and I've submitted a grant
proposal to the WMF to support my work on a new responsive skin designed
for the Wikimedia projects, Timeless:

* Abstract: A new skin, Timeless, has been deployed to the Beta Cluster,
but to make it worth eventual deployment to all projects, we need proper
research into what's expected/needed from a better skin, and the ability
to
devote development resources to making it meet these expectations/needs.
This grant, as part of a larger series of vaguely planned grants intended
to work on many of the underlying issues with MediaWiki's user-facing
interfaces, will serve to address this need.
* https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Timeless

Timeless currently exists as fairly basic prototype, but I invite you to
take a look at the current version:

* Wiki specifically for Timeless: https://timeless-skin.wmflabs.
org/wiki/Main_Page
* To see what it might look/act like in production, there is a copy of
the
Simple English Wikipedia on the Beta Cluster, where Timeless has already
been deployed: https://simple.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page
-
you can create an account, set your skin to Timeless, and go through some
of the things you might do here, or simply append the string
?useskin=timeless to the end of any page url to see what it would look
like
in Timeless
* Skin documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless

If this looks like a project you would be interested in seeing happen, I
would very much appreciate your feedback. This applies especially if you
have any specific concerns about the skin or the proposal itself, or have
faced particular problems on your own projects that you think this might
be
able to address, because the more of these are documented, the better
they
will be.

I look forward to working with all of you to redefine how we handle our
project interfaces.

Thanks,

Isarra


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timeless: a grant proposal

[MZMcBride]

Isarra Yos wrote:
>I'm a bit confused what you're asking. My proposal should be covering
>exactly what I aim to achieve. What, specifically, is unclear? Let me
>know and I'll do what I can to improve it.

The Vector skin was pushed forward as a usability initiative. For better
or worse, constantly saying "usability" was effective, because after all,
who could be against ideas from a usability initiative? Perhaps this new
responsive skin for MediaWiki wikis needs a similar marketing strategy.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timeless: a grant proposal

[Szymon Grabarczuk]

Gerard mentioned Wikidata, which collects interwiki and is a cross-wiki
database, so to me it's clear that by "multiple projects" he meant just
Wikimedia projects. This is specifically about focusing on cross-wiki
collaboration.

Well, an interesting point. That issue is one of main points of our
strategy consultations.

*Szymon Grabarczuk*

Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU
Head of R Group, Wikimedia Polska
pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_Lócesilion


On 1 April 2017 at 05:18, Isarra Yos  wrote:

> I'm a bit confused what you're asking. My proposal should be covering
> exactly what I aim to achieve. What, specifically, is unclear? Let me know
> and I'll do what I can to improve it.
>
> By 'other projects' do you mean third-party MediaWiki installs? I'm afraid
> right now the scope of the grant really only covers usage on Wikimedia
> projects, though wider applicability and adoption of Timeless is of course
> something quite important to me personally, and I'm glad to see interest on
> this list.
>
> -I
>
>
> On 29/03/17 07:02, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> What remains unclear is what it is that you aim to achieve. There are
>> great
>> possibilities possible but there has to be a focus.
>>
>> One such focus would be that it helps us focus on the relations that an
>> article has with with other articles. They are all or should all be
>> related
>> in Wikidata anyway. With a skin that helps in determining this you have a
>> reason for another skin, a skin that will achieve greater quality for
>> multiple projects. The only question I have is how your skin would work
>> for
>> other projects.
>> Thanks,
>>   GerardM
>>
>> On 29 March 2017 at 04:01, Isarra Yos  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm Isarra, a volunteer MediaWiki developer, and I've submitted a grant
>>> proposal to the WMF to support my work on a new responsive skin designed
>>> for the Wikimedia projects, Timeless:
>>>
>>> * Abstract: A new skin, Timeless, has been deployed to the Beta Cluster,
>>> but to make it worth eventual deployment to all projects, we need proper
>>> research into what's expected/needed from a better skin, and the ability
>>> to
>>> devote development resources to making it meet these expectations/needs.
>>> This grant, as part of a larger series of vaguely planned grants intended
>>> to work on many of the underlying issues with MediaWiki's user-facing
>>> interfaces, will serve to address this need.
>>> * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Timeless
>>>
>>> Timeless currently exists as fairly basic prototype, but I invite you to
>>> take a look at the current version:
>>>
>>> * Wiki specifically for Timeless: https://timeless-skin.wmflabs.
>>> org/wiki/Main_Page
>>> * To see what it might look/act like in production, there is a copy of
>>> the
>>> Simple English Wikipedia on the Beta Cluster, where Timeless has already
>>> been deployed: https://simple.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page
>>> -
>>> you can create an account, set your skin to Timeless, and go through some
>>> of the things you might do here, or simply append the string
>>> ?useskin=timeless to the end of any page url to see what it would look
>>> like
>>> in Timeless
>>> * Skin documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless
>>>
>>> If this looks like a project you would be interested in seeing happen, I
>>> would very much appreciate your feedback. This applies especially if you
>>> have any specific concerns about the skin or the proposal itself, or have
>>> faced particular problems on your own projects that you think this might
>>> be
>>> able to address, because the more of these are documented, the better
>>> they
>>> will be.
>>>
>>> I look forward to working with all of you to redefine how we handle our
>>> project interfaces.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Isarra
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timeless: a grant proposal

[Isarra Yos]

I'm a bit confused what you're asking. My proposal should be covering 
exactly what I aim to achieve. What, specifically, is unclear? Let me 
know and I'll do what I can to improve it.


By 'other projects' do you mean third-party MediaWiki installs? I'm 
afraid right now the scope of the grant really only covers usage on 
Wikimedia projects, though wider applicability and adoption of Timeless 
is of course something quite important to me personally, and I'm glad to 
see interest on this list.


-I

On 29/03/17 07:02, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

Hoi,
What remains unclear is what it is that you aim to achieve. There are great
possibilities possible but there has to be a focus.

One such focus would be that it helps us focus on the relations that an
article has with with other articles. They are all or should all be related
in Wikidata anyway. With a skin that helps in determining this you have a
reason for another skin, a skin that will achieve greater quality for
multiple projects. The only question I have is how your skin would work for
other projects.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 29 March 2017 at 04:01, Isarra Yos  wrote:


Hi,

I'm Isarra, a volunteer MediaWiki developer, and I've submitted a grant
proposal to the WMF to support my work on a new responsive skin designed
for the Wikimedia projects, Timeless:

* Abstract: A new skin, Timeless, has been deployed to the Beta Cluster,
but to make it worth eventual deployment to all projects, we need proper
research into what's expected/needed from a better skin, and the ability to
devote development resources to making it meet these expectations/needs.
This grant, as part of a larger series of vaguely planned grants intended
to work on many of the underlying issues with MediaWiki's user-facing
interfaces, will serve to address this need.
* https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Timeless

Timeless currently exists as fairly basic prototype, but I invite you to
take a look at the current version:

* Wiki specifically for Timeless: https://timeless-skin.wmflabs.
org/wiki/Main_Page
* To see what it might look/act like in production, there is a copy of the
Simple English Wikipedia on the Beta Cluster, where Timeless has already
been deployed: https://simple.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page -
you can create an account, set your skin to Timeless, and go through some
of the things you might do here, or simply append the string
?useskin=timeless to the end of any page url to see what it would look like
in Timeless
* Skin documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless

If this looks like a project you would be interested in seeing happen, I
would very much appreciate your feedback. This applies especially if you
have any specific concerns about the skin or the proposal itself, or have
faced particular problems on your own projects that you think this might be
able to address, because the more of these are documented, the better they
will be.

I look forward to working with all of you to redefine how we handle our
project interfaces.

Thanks,

Isarra


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timeless: a grant proposal

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
What remains unclear is what it is that you aim to achieve. There are great
possibilities possible but there has to be a focus.

One such focus would be that it helps us focus on the relations that an
article has with with other articles. They are all or should all be related
in Wikidata anyway. With a skin that helps in determining this you have a
reason for another skin, a skin that will achieve greater quality for
multiple projects. The only question I have is how your skin would work for
other projects.
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 29 March 2017 at 04:01, Isarra Yos  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm Isarra, a volunteer MediaWiki developer, and I've submitted a grant
> proposal to the WMF to support my work on a new responsive skin designed
> for the Wikimedia projects, Timeless:
>
> * Abstract: A new skin, Timeless, has been deployed to the Beta Cluster,
> but to make it worth eventual deployment to all projects, we need proper
> research into what's expected/needed from a better skin, and the ability to
> devote development resources to making it meet these expectations/needs.
> This grant, as part of a larger series of vaguely planned grants intended
> to work on many of the underlying issues with MediaWiki's user-facing
> interfaces, will serve to address this need.
> * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Timeless
>
> Timeless currently exists as fairly basic prototype, but I invite you to
> take a look at the current version:
>
> * Wiki specifically for Timeless: https://timeless-skin.wmflabs.
> org/wiki/Main_Page
> * To see what it might look/act like in production, there is a copy of the
> Simple English Wikipedia on the Beta Cluster, where Timeless has already
> been deployed: https://simple.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page -
> you can create an account, set your skin to Timeless, and go through some
> of the things you might do here, or simply append the string
> ?useskin=timeless to the end of any page url to see what it would look like
> in Timeless
> * Skin documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless
>
> If this looks like a project you would be interested in seeing happen, I
> would very much appreciate your feedback. This applies especially if you
> have any specific concerns about the skin or the proposal itself, or have
> faced particular problems on your own projects that you think this might be
> able to address, because the more of these are documented, the better they
> will be.
>
> I look forward to working with all of you to redefine how we handle our
> project interfaces.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Isarra
>
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Timeless: a grant proposal

[Isarra Yos]

Hi,

I'm Isarra, a volunteer MediaWiki developer, and I've submitted a grant 
proposal to the WMF to support my work on a new responsive skin designed 
for the Wikimedia projects, Timeless:


* Abstract: A new skin, Timeless, has been deployed to the Beta Cluster, 
but to make it worth eventual deployment to all projects, we need proper 
research into what's expected/needed from a better skin, and the ability 
to devote development resources to making it meet these 
expectations/needs. This grant, as part of a larger series of vaguely 
planned grants intended to work on many of the underlying issues with 
MediaWiki's user-facing interfaces, will serve to address this need.

* https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Timeless

Timeless currently exists as fairly basic prototype, but I invite you to 
take a look at the current version:


* Wiki specifically for Timeless: 
https://timeless-skin.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page
* To see what it might look/act like in production, there is a copy of 
the Simple English Wikipedia on the Beta Cluster, where Timeless has 
already been deployed: 
https://simple.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page - you can 
create an account, set your skin to Timeless, and go through some of the 
things you might do here, or simply append the string ?useskin=timeless 
to the end of any page url to see what it would look like in Timeless

* Skin documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless

If this looks like a project you would be interested in seeing happen, I 
would very much appreciate your feedback. This applies especially if you 
have any specific concerns about the skin or the proposal itself, or 
have faced particular problems on your own projects that you think this 
might be able to address, because the more of these are documented, the 
better they will be.


I look forward to working with all of you to redefine how we handle our 
project interfaces.


Thanks,

Isarra


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