Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-17 Thread Diego Moya
On 16 September 2014 21:32, Danny Horn dh...@wikimedia.org wrote: Diego, that is definitely what we're thinking about for the subscriptions options -- giving users the ability to choose whether they want to subscribe to every new thread, or just get a notification that a new thread has been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-17 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
Nitpick: If watchlist and notifications remain separated, it makes more sense to me to call the operation that adds something to watchlist watch rather than ''subscribe. בתאריך 17 בספט 2014 12:05, Diego Moya dialm...@gmail.com כתב: On 16 September 2014 21:32, Danny Horn dh...@wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-17 Thread Diego Moya
On 17 September 2014 12:46, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Nitpick: If watchlist and notifications remain separated, it makes more sense to me to call the operation that adds something to watchlist watch rather than ''subscribe. Good catch, that makes sense for me too.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-16 Thread Diego Moya
On 15 September 2014 19:24, Danny Horn dh...@wikimedia.org wrote: Some people are seeing Flow messages as really important, something that they want to get updates on right away -- and right away can mean either in their watchlist where they go all the time, or in Echo where they'll see the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-16 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Danny Horn dh...@wikimedia.org wrote: Figuring out how Flow integrates with the watchlist and Echo is one of the toughest and most important parts of the project. I think that may be an overstatement. I'm not saying it isn't tough, but exploring in what ways

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-16 Thread Danny Horn
Diego, that is definitely what we're thinking about for the subscriptions options -- giving users the ability to choose whether they want to subscribe to every new thread, or just get a notification that a new thread has been created. The balance that we have to figure out is how to provide

[Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-15 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
My 2 agorot in the Flow or not Flow discussion: A prominent Hebrew Wikipedia user started a discussion about his impression that too few people participate in the discussions about nominating featured articles.[1] This Wikipedia has about 700 active and 150 very active editors[2]; the number of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-15 Thread Risker
English Wikipedia rarely has more than 10-15 people participating in featured content candidate discussions/reviews. I'm hugely impressed that Hebrew Wikipedia has this level of participation in similar discussions. I suspect this is a higher level of participation than is seen on most projects,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Amir E. Aharoni, 15/09/2014 11:12: These opinions are relevant, but the way they are presented in the watchlist is unhelpful and I feel that it wastes my time. If the reason is so trivial (on it.wiki it's certainly more complex than that), sounds like something that subpagination and/or RSS

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-15 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
If the reason is so trivial (on it.wiki it's certainly more complex than that), sounds like something that subpagination and/or RSS feeds can solve I expected supagination to come up. The English Wikipedia uses it for Articles for Deletion (AfD) and for a lot of other things. I tried to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Amir E. Aharoni, 15/09/2014 13:12: The English Wikipedia uses it for Articles for Deletion (AfD) and for a lot of other things. I tried to follow AfD for some time, and I had similar issues. Issues which you still haven't described. Nemo ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-15 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2014-09-15 15:13 GMT+03:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com: Amir E. Aharoni, 15/09/2014 13:12: The English Wikipedia uses it for Articles for Deletion (AfD) and for a lot of other things. I tried to follow AfD for some time, and I had similar issues. Issues which you still haven't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Amir E. Aharoni, 15/09/2014 14:25: Seeing notifications about articles in the same watchlist with these notifications is already an issue. There's a namespace selector. I select ns0 + talk when I'm in editing mode and invert that when I'm not. Seeing only the last support or oppose

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-15 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 09/15/2014 09:03 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: All the problems you mentioned I consider solved since about 2006 on it.wiki, modernise your practices. ... isn't that what Flow is trying to do? -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Marc A. Pelletier, 15/09/2014 15:07: On 09/15/2014 09:03 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: All the problems you mentioned I consider solved since about 2006 on it.wiki, modernise your practices. ... isn't that what Flow is trying to do? By making me and Amir talk of how to use wiki pages, you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-15 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
The alternative would be to set watchlist to show all changes and not just the last one, but then it would show one row per change or a group of rows per page, and that would make it even more cluttered. That never looked cluttered to me. :) It did to me, and AFAIK, you and I started

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-15 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2014-09-15 16:18 GMT+03:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com: I expect half of what would come up to be problems with Watchlist and RecentChanges, applying to any namespace and only made worse by the repeated attempt to take stuff out of them. Those are THE central engines of any wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-15 Thread Diego Moya
On 15 September 2014 15:24, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: That is quite true. A deep modernization of the Watchlist should be coupled with the Flow poject somehow. Either Special:Watchlist itself should be profoundly redesigned and upgraded, or the Flow+Echo notifications

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow: on featured article discussions

2014-09-15 Thread Danny Horn
Figuring out how Flow integrates with the watchlist and Echo is one of the toughest and most important parts of the project. The feedback that the team got from the last couple releases was actually pretty diverse, and showed us that there's going to be a lot of work ahead of us to figure out how