Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014
In general, sarcasm on large public lists is risky, and in my experience sarcasm is best tagged with sarcasm/sarcasm or ;). Pine On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:25 AM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: Yes, but that wasn't fun from at least my perspective. :-/ A lot of wikimedians are very serious about copyright, and it's only fair to answer them accurately rather than jokingly. The shock is the part of fun :P And, few moments after, after you connect the fact that I am a Wikimedian for long time, which should include the fact that I am properly introduced into the licenses (with some help by mentioning one obscure license, which, BTW, i support, which is also the part of fun :P ), what's the conclusion? That I expect Commons to incorporate content licensed by incompatible license? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: In general, sarcasm on large public lists is risky, and in my experience sarcasm is best tagged with sarcasm/sarcasm or ;). That wouldn't be fun :) It's not about sarcasm, it's about trolling :P Would have left the discussion to last a bit, if i didn't catch James (or any experienced Wikimedian) with the comment that I intend to use incompatible license :) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014
On 18.07.2014 22:05, Milos Rancic wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: I see that the video is marked CC BY-NC-ND. Will all other videos also be under that license? That's their proprietary, artistic work. We are getting scientific/educational videos. Something like ten time 3-5 minutes of one species, 20 times 3-5 minutes of the other one, 30 minutes of rare species, ~10 minutes of filming one ecosystem etc. Our goal is to illustrate Wikipedia articles (and articles on other Wikimedia projects). Their proprietary work is their art. ___ Note that especially if it comes to Antarctic waters we can also use screenshots to illustrate geographic features, I am not sure we have the whole Antarctic coast covered. Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:49 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: Uh, wait. Please answer the question clearly and unambiguously. What exact license will the proposed contributions be under? On Jul 18, 2014 2:06 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: I think that the best one is Reciprocal Public License [1]. What do you think? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocal_Public_License ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014
I think if you are going to be releasing images or video you would be better using a Creative Commons license or similar. The RPL (like the GPL it's based on) is significantly more designed for source code and programs and the requirements make media much harder to reuse. James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 12:49 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: Uh, wait. Please answer the question clearly and unambiguously. What exact license will the proposed contributions be under? On Jul 18, 2014 2:06 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: I think that the best one is Reciprocal Public License [1]. What do you think? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reciprocal_Public_License ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014
James, you're not the only one that was confused by that. Please, Milos, stay focused on being helpful and furthering the Wikimedia mission (as you do in an amazing way!), and please don't troll... Thanks, Mike On 20 Jul 2014, at 00:09, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote: Sorry ;) it's been a very long day and I'm just responding without thinking ;) I WAS very confused to be fair James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:04 AM, James Alexander jalexan...@wikimedia.org wrote: I think if you are going to be releasing images or video you would be better using a Creative Commons license or similar. The RPL (like the GPL it's based on) is significantly more designed for source code and programs and the requirements make media much harder to reuse. James, I was trolling... ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: James, you're not the only one that was confused by that. Please, Milos, stay focused on being helpful and furthering the Wikimedia mission (as you do in an amazing way!), and please don't troll... We need some fun, don't we? :P ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014
We need a straight answer, which I notice you've still yet to give. On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: James, you're not the only one that was confused by that. Please, Milos, stay focused on being helpful and furthering the Wikimedia mission (as you do in an amazing way!), and please don't troll... We need some fun, don't we? :P ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: We need a straight answer, which I notice you've still yet to give. Then RPL, as I said. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014
On 20 Jul 2014, at 00:16, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 1:13 AM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: James, you're not the only one that was confused by that. Please, Milos, stay focused on being helpful and furthering the Wikimedia mission (as you do in an amazing way!), and please don't troll... We need some fun, don't we? :P Yes, but that wasn't fun from at least my perspective. :-/ A lot of wikimedians are very serious about copyright, and it's only fair to answer them accurately rather than jokingly. Thanks, Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014
On 15.07.2014 06:42, Milos Rancic wrote: For the last month or so I want to share with you the initial success of the Microgrants 2014 project of Wikimedia Serbia. However, there are a number of stories and it was too much to me to write about all of them at once. So, I am splitting it, which means that you can expect more stories during the next days. Inside of this email, first a bit about the project Microgrants, then about the particular project. * * * Hi Milos, the project sounds really cool. Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014
Thanks for support. Here is one unlocked teaser [1]. We'll be getting a lot of videos like that one is, but split into the parts describing particular species. We'll actually get materials used in this video, as well. [1] http://vimeo.com/83936598 On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 15.07.2014 06:42, Milos Rancic wrote: For the last month or so I want to share with you the initial success of the Microgrants 2014 project of Wikimedia Serbia. However, there are a number of stories and it was too much to me to write about all of them at once. So, I am splitting it, which means that you can expect more stories during the next days. Inside of this email, first a bit about the project Microgrants, then about the particular project. * * * Hi Milos, the project sounds really cool. Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014
I see that the video is marked CC BY-NC-ND. Will all other videos also be under that license? *Med vänliga hälsningar,Jan Ainali* Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida 0729 - 67 29 48 *Tänk dig en värld där varje människa har fri tillgång till mänsklighetens samlade kunskap. Det är det vi gör.* Bli medlem. http://blimedlem.wikimedia.se 2014-07-18 19:46 GMT+02:00 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: Thanks for support. Here is one unlocked teaser [1]. We'll be getting a lot of videos like that one is, but split into the parts describing particular species. We'll actually get materials used in this video, as well. [1] http://vimeo.com/83936598 On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: On 15.07.2014 06:42, Milos Rancic wrote: For the last month or so I want to share with you the initial success of the Microgrants 2014 project of Wikimedia Serbia. However, there are a number of stories and it was too much to me to write about all of them at once. So, I am splitting it, which means that you can expect more stories during the next days. Inside of this email, first a bit about the project Microgrants, then about the particular project. * * * Hi Milos, the project sounds really cool. Cheers Yaroslav ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ain...@wikimedia.se wrote: I see that the video is marked CC BY-NC-ND. Will all other videos also be under that license? That's their proprietary, artistic work. We are getting scientific/educational videos. Something like ten time 3-5 minutes of one species, 20 times 3-5 minutes of the other one, 30 minutes of rare species, ~10 minutes of filming one ecosystem etc. Our goal is to illustrate Wikipedia articles (and articles on other Wikimedia projects). Their proprietary work is their art. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014
For the last month or so I want to share with you the initial success of the Microgrants 2014 project of Wikimedia Serbia. However, there are a number of stories and it was too much to me to write about all of them at once. So, I am splitting it, which means that you can expect more stories during the next days. Inside of this email, first a bit about the project Microgrants, then about the particular project. * * * In brief, the goals of WMRS Microgrants project is to build capacities of Wikimedia Serbia and to make WMRS more visible. Projects themselves are of secondary importance. The idea is to engage individuals and organizations in creation free content, as well as to find active volunteers inside of that pool. Although there are many possible cool ideas, I didn't want to base the project on something unpredictable, but on more or less predictable parameters. For example, if we get ~10 more active Wikimedians thanks to that project, it would be success. However, it turns out that some of my wet dreams have become reality :D My unexpressed idea was that if we reach relevant population, we'll get some very cool projects. The initial budget for all projects was 2500 EUR. Thanks to WMRS Board and staff, that budget raised for, AFAIK, ~2000 EUR, so all relevant projects got funding (which was between 400 and 500 per project). * * * This email is about the coolest project which we got. (However, there are other projects, even more significant than this one. This one is just the coolest :D ) It's about recording underwater world of Drina River [1]. So, yes, we'll get photos and videos of underwater species. Two persons who are doing that are called Liquid Art [2]. Please, take a look at their materials. One of very important conclusions about the work with them is that one of my premises turns out to be true. They are artists. They are living of making artistic movies about underwater worlds. They needed just co-funding (500 EUR) and they will give us all materials relevant to us, for educational purposes. They will create movies, make other steps to compile them into artistic experience, and that material is their, proprietary. However, educational materials will be copylefted. But, that's not the end of the story... We were actually lucky to start this project with them. They are in Serbia (in Novi Sad) just because their ship is docked in Caribbean to be repaired. Oh, and they didn't want to go to make underwater photos of Caribbean, but underwater photos and videos of the Southern Ocean, Antarctica. They have other materials, as well as they are making underwater photos all over the world. Their destinations for the next year are Thailand and Antarctica. After they come back from their Drina expedition, we are going to talk about liberating their older materials. Basically, those people are living from their work, but they have enough space to contribute to the free content corpus, as well as they are willing to do so. And I am sure that there are many such people all over the world. * * * Obviously, I'd like to see other affiliate organizations doing similar things. At some point of time I'll write a know-how for making that kind of projects. In the meantime, feel free to approach me via email or ask the questions here, so everybody would be able to read and participate. * * * [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drina [2] https://liquid-art.net/ (some of their material is locked, as they didn't publish those videos yet; narration of their movies is in Serbian, but I am sure that we can convince them to make English versions, as well :) ) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014
Very inspiring, Milos. Thanks for sharing. Might be good story for Wikimedia blog. -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l- boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Milos Rancic Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 6:43 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Underwater photos and videos / WMRS Microgrants 2014 For the last month or so I want to share with you the initial success of the Microgrants 2014 project of Wikimedia Serbia. However, there are a number of stories and it was too much to me to write about all of them at once. So, I am splitting it, which means that you can expect more stories during the next days. Inside of this email, first a bit about the project Microgrants, then about the particular project. * * * In brief, the goals of WMRS Microgrants project is to build capacities of Wikimedia Serbia and to make WMRS more visible. Projects themselves are of secondary importance. The idea is to engage individuals and organizations in creation free content, as well as to find active volunteers inside of that pool. Although there are many possible cool ideas, I didn't want to base the project on something unpredictable, but on more or less predictable parameters. For example, if we get ~10 more active Wikimedians thanks to that project, it would be success. However, it turns out that some of my wet dreams have become reality :D My unexpressed idea was that if we reach relevant population, we'll get some very cool projects. The initial budget for all projects was 2500 EUR. Thanks to WMRS Board and staff, that budget raised for, AFAIK, ~2000 EUR, so all relevant projects got funding (which was between 400 and 500 per project). * * * This email is about the coolest project which we got. (However, there are other projects, even more significant than this one. This one is just the coolest :D ) It's about recording underwater world of Drina River [1]. So, yes, we'll get photos and videos of underwater species. Two persons who are doing that are called Liquid Art [2]. Please, take a look at their materials. One of very important conclusions about the work with them is that one of my premises turns out to be true. They are artists. They are living of making artistic movies about underwater worlds. They needed just co-funding (500 EUR) and they will give us all materials relevant to us, for educational purposes. They will create movies, make other steps to compile them into artistic experience, and that material is their, proprietary. However, educational materials will be copylefted. But, that's not the end of the story... We were actually lucky to start this project with them. They are in Serbia (in Novi Sad) just because their ship is docked in Caribbean to be repaired. Oh, and they didn't want to go to make underwater photos of Caribbean, but underwater photos and videos of the Southern Ocean, Antarctica. They have other materials, as well as they are making underwater photos all over the world. Their destinations for the next year are Thailand and Antarctica. After they come back from their Drina expedition, we are going to talk about liberating their older materials. Basically, those people are living from their work, but they have enough space to contribute to the free content corpus, as well as they are willing to do so. And I am sure that there are many such people all over the world. * * * Obviously, I'd like to see other affiliate organizations doing similar things. At some point of time I'll write a know-how for making that kind of projects. In the meantime, feel free to approach me via email or ask the questions here, so everybody would be able to read and participate. * * * [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drina [2] https://liquid-art.net/ (some of their material is locked, as they didn't publish those videos yet; narration of their movies is in Serbian, but I am sure that we can convince them to make English versions, as well :) ) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
