Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-28 Thread Quim Gil
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote:

 It's good to see an email appeal sent to editors to translate articles,
 although a direct email appeal to generally add information to the relevant
 Wikipedia might be better (we don't just want translators, we also want new
 content!).


I'm just talking here as someone that volunteered in a first test of this
feature. In that case I was asked whether I had edited Spanish Wikipedia
(which I had) and then got a few recommendations for articles that could be
translated from English to Spanish using the Content Translator. My edits
to es.wiki are quite thematic, and the recommendations I got were very
interesting to me, as an editor and as a reader.

I guess a problem with this mailing (among others) is that the threshold
should be more restrictive, for instances filtering out editors that never
added whole sentences or paragraphs of text, avoiding the occasional
editors of wrong data, images, etc, that might not know the language itself.

About why focusing on translations (or, to be more precise, Content
Translator), I think it is a campaign that makes sense. Most registered
editors don't know about Content Translator and/or wouldn't have a clear
idea of what articles to translate. In this sense, the email (that could be
a message in Talk pages indeed) is very useful, even for someone like me
who was well aware of Content Translator and had tried in some articles.

Of course, this shouldn't stop other types of recommendations to edit away.

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Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-28 Thread Michael Peel

 So as part of
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage
 , it appears that unsolicited emails have been sent out encouraging
 people to translated articles into needed languages.
 
 I am all for improving article coverage, etc, but I'm concerned about
 the use of user account emails to send unsolicited mail that the user
 has not opted into. I think use of user email addresses for purposes
 other than the user has agreed to, is not ok.
 
 I'm not really fazed by the fact that emails were unsolicited, but by the
 fact that I got it in French. I don't know whether that was a glitch or a
 conscious decision, but my knowledge of French is somewhere around fr-0.1,
 and it made no sense to me why I got it in a language other than English. :)

I also received an email in French about this. I presume that this is because I 
have made some edits to the French Wikipedia (mostly just adding photos to 
articles): hopefully it didn't get sent to everyone who's edited Wikipedia!

It's good to see an email appeal sent to editors to translate articles, 
although a direct email appeal to generally add information to the relevant 
Wikipedia might be better (we don't just want translators, we also want new 
content!).

 Really, RCom has morphed slowly into the Research Team at the WMF + a few
 interested volunteers that we can manage to pull in to help us with review
 work (shout out to Daniel Mietchen, Nemo, Yaroslav  BluRasberry).

I'm sad to hear this. I thought it used to be a volunteer committee (but 
perhaps I'm remembering this wrong?), and turning a volunteer committee into a 
staff team really isn't scalable. I'm sure that there are many knowledgeable 
academic researchers out there that this structure will exclude. Defining it as 
WMF staff members and some pre-existing volunteers sounds like it's become 
more, rather than less, hierarchical.

Thanks,
Mike
P.S. I like the idea of random academics. The world could do with more of 
these. :-)


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[Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-27 Thread Brian Wolff
So as part of 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage
, it appears that unsolicited emails have been sent out encouraging
people to translated articles into needed languages.

I am all for improving article coverage, etc, but I'm concerned about
the use of user account emails to send unsolicited mail that the user
has not opted into. I think use of user email addresses for purposes
other than the user has agreed to, is not ok.

--
bawolff

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-27 Thread Filip Maljković
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote:

 So as part of
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage
 , it appears that unsolicited emails have been sent out encouraging
 people to translated articles into needed languages.

 I am all for improving article coverage, etc, but I'm concerned about
 the use of user account emails to send unsolicited mail that the user
 has not opted into. I think use of user email addresses for purposes
 other than the user has agreed to, is not ok.

I'm not really fazed by the fact that emails were unsolicited, but by the
fact that I got it in French. I don't know whether that was a glitch or a
conscious decision, but my knowledge of French is somewhere around fr-0.1,
and it made no sense to me why I got it in a language other than English. :)

Cheers,
Filip Maljković
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-27 Thread MZMcBride
Filip Maljković wrote:
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Brian Wolff bawo...@gmail.com wrote:
 So as part of
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage
 , it appears that unsolicited emails have been sent out encouraging
 people to translated articles into needed languages.

 I am all for improving article coverage, etc, but I'm concerned about
 the use of user account emails to send unsolicited mail that the user
 has not opted into. I think use of user email addresses for purposes
 other than the user has agreed to, is not ok.

I'm not really fazed by the fact that emails were unsolicited, but by the
fact that I got it in French. I don't know whether that was a glitch or a
conscious decision, but my knowledge of French is somewhere around fr-0.1,
and it made no sense to me why I got it in a language other than English.
:)

I tend to agree with Brian. I'm not sure spamming people to create
articles is a reasonable approach. I'm also not sure how it's appropriate
to opt users in to an experiment without their consent.

Like Filip, I was confused why I received an e-mail in French. I actually
figured it had something to do with imported edits, but I hadn't
investigated what the e-mail was about.

The text of the e-mail I received is pasted below.

MZMcBride




Bonjour MZMcBride,

L’équipe Recherche de la Fondation Wikimédia (Wikimedia Research)
travaille actuellement sur l’identification d’articles populaires et
importants[1] dans certaines langues du projet Wikipédia qui n’existent
pas encore sur le Wikipédia francophone. Les cinq articles suivants
existent dans la version anglophone de Wikipédia et sont considérés comme
étant importants pour les autres langues du projet. Au vu de votre
historique de contribution à Wikipédia, nous pensons que vous êtes un(e)
excellent candidat(e) pour contribuer à ces articles. Démarrer la création
de l'un de ces articles serait un premier pas considérable en vue
d'élargir les connaissances disponibles en français.[2]

Domain privacy 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?campaign=frwiki-r
ecommenderto=frfrom=enpage=Domain_privacy

Zango (company) 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?campaign=frwiki-r
ecommenderto=frfrom=enpage=Zango_(company)

Closed platform 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?campaign=frwiki-r
ecommenderto=frfrom=enpage=Closed_platform

Criticism of Second Life
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?campaign=frwiki-r
ecommenderto=frfrom=enpage=Criticism_of_Second_Life

Online producer 
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?campaign=frwiki-r
ecommenderto=frfrom=enpage=Online_producer

Nous vous remercions d'avance pour votre aide.[3][4]

Equipe de Recherche
Fondation Wikimédia
149 New Montgomery Street, 6th Floor
San Francisco, CA, 94105
415.839.6885 (Office)

1. Nous identifions les articles importants et populaires grâce à un
algorithme. Cette sélection d'articles peut être un résultat personnalisé
ou aléatoire. Vous pouvez en apprendre davantage sur la personnalisation
et les méthodes utilisées pour trouver les articles importants à cette
adresse 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage#Metho
dology.
2. Les liens pointent vers l’outil de traduction de Wikipédia
(ContentTranslation Tool). Cet outil est en cours de développement par
l’équipe Language Engineering de la fondation (pour l’instant en version
beta dans certaines langues). En savoir plus:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation.
3. Si vous désirez plus d’informations sur ce projet de recherche, vous
pouvez lire cette page
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage (en
anglais), et nous en parler sur sa page de discussion
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Increasing_article_coverage
 (en anglais de préférence, même si nous trouverons certainement un
traducteur si vous nous écrivez en français :).
4. Votre avis est important pour nous. Faites nous part de vos impressions
par courriel à l’adresse recommender-feedb...@wikimedia.org.



Si vous ne souhaitez plus recevoir de courriel de Wikimedia Research,
merci d’envoyer un courriel ayant pour sujet unsubscribe à l’adresse
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-27 Thread Pine W
This issue is also being discussed on the Research mailing list.

I have three questions:

1. Was this outreach method approved by RCom?

2. Email addresses are nonpublic information on-wiki unless they are
proactively and publicly disclosed by users. Does the bulk collection of
nonpublic email addresses in this manner and the bulk provision of those
addresses to researchers for their use in this campaign violate the
Wikimedia privacy policy? The policy states regarding email, We use your
email address to let you know about things that are happening with the
Foundation, the Wikimedia Sites, or the Wikimedia movement, such as telling
you important information about your account, letting you know if something
is changing about the Wikimedia Sites or policies, and alerting you when
there has been a change to an article that you have decided to follow. The
bulk scraping of email addresses from account registrations for research
and outreach purposes doesn't appear to be contemplated or authorized under
the privacy policy.

3. Wouldn't talk pages be a more appropriate outreach method than bulk
email?

Thanks,

Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-27 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 27 June 2015 at 17:28, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote:

 So that’s what that e-mail was about.
 I got an e-mail in French, a language which I don’t read, write, or speak.

I assumed a technical or human error. Pine's questions are certainly
deserving of prompt and frank answers.

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@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-27 Thread Michelle Paulson
Hi All,

Please see in-line below.

-Michelle

On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Leila Zia le...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 + Michelle Paulson

 On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com
 javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wiki.p...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 This issue is also being discussed on the Research mailing list.

 I have three questions:

 1. Was this outreach method approved by RCom?

  No, and RCom, as far as I know has not been active in the past year or
 more (last meeting was on Dec. 22, 2011). This is a research from the
 Research team in the WMF.

 2. Email addresses are nonpublic information on-wiki unless they are
 proactively and publicly disclosed by users. Does the bulk collection of
 nonpublic email addresses in this manner and the bulk provision of those
 addresses to researchers for their use in this campaign violate the
 Wikimedia privacy policy? The policy states regarding email, We use your
 email address to let you know about things that are happening with the
 Foundation, the Wikimedia Sites, or the Wikimedia movement, such as telling
 you important information about your account, letting you know if something
 is changing about the Wikimedia Sites or policies, and alerting you when
 there has been a change to an article that you have decided to follow. The
 bulk scraping of email addresses from account registrations for research
 and outreach purposes doesn't appear to be contemplated or authorized under
 the privacy policy.

 Michelle can help with this one as this is related to Legal. Note that
 it's weekend here and this may have to wait until Monday.


The research team did speak to me prior to beginning this project to ensure
that they complied with the WMF privacy policy. It is my view that this
type of use falls within the permissible potential uses for email addresses
under the policy. The examples listed in the policy are meant to be
illustrative, not exclusive -- the absence of this situation as an
enumerated example shouldn't be taken as a prohibition.

That said, it is a new use and therefore, will and should be the subject of
discussion and debate. It is such feedback and testing that will help us
refine email practices to be both effective and reflective of community
values.

 3. Wouldn't talk pages be a more appropriate outreach method than bulk
 email?

 The reason we chose email over talk pages (or Echo notifications) is
 explained here
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Increasing_article_coverage#.C2.AB_recommander_par_courriel_des_articles_.C3.A0_cr.C3.A9er.E2.80.A6_.C2.BB.


 Hope this helps.

 Best,
 Leila

 Thanks,

 Pine

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from wikimedia research

2015-06-27 Thread Aaron Halfaker

  RCom, as far as I know has not been active in the past year or more (last
 meeting was on Dec. 22, 2011).


*RCom is not dead.   It changed into something less formal and less
hierarchical.  You can still email me and Dario to get support for your
research plans.  We'd still reconvene the committee if it looks like
that'll help. *

While RCom hasn't met in a long time, the process for subject recruitment
hasn't slowed.  We don't have a technical requirement that all recruitment
studies must follow The Process, but I have been helping researchers
document their studies and obtain feedback and sometimes consensus for more
than five years now.

Really, RCom has morphed slowly into the Research Team at the WMF + a few
interested volunteers that we can manage to pull in to help us with review
work (shout out to Daniel Mietchen, Nemo, Yaroslav  BluRasberry).  Within
the research team, we *do* have structured processed for supporting
researchers access to data and engineering support, but subject recruitment
has been mostly left in my (volunteer time) hands.

Regretfully, I wasn't involved in the planning of this project or I would
have directed it towards best practices for minimizing disruption
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research_recruitment -- e.g. an
RFC.  I would have also pushed Leila to find a way to make posts on talk
pages work (since they are known to be generally preferable, police-able,
etc.), but I can understand why concerns around privacy might be worth
discussion.  I regret that this discussion only happened after-the-fact as
it could have informed the study design for the better.  FWIW, SuggestBot
posts recommendations on user talk pages and also does not filter for
offensive content (to my knowledge).

Finally, I think it is important to consider the source of this research
work.  Leila is not some random academic or industry researcher who is
planning to take advantage of Wikipedians for a study, but not give back.
Leila is working with a team at the WMF tasked with building better
translation tools.  She helped them design an experiment that would explore
the effectiveness of these tools so that when something is deployed, it's
actually better and we know it scientifically.  A lot of the work I do with
external researchers is to help make sure that their work has the potential
to benefit Wikipedia/Wikipedians/Wikimedia/Open knowledge.  In this case,
the Leila's team is just helping the product teams engage in best practices
around empirical software change practice.   After all, every software
deployment is an experiment that is inflicted upon you without consent.  In
this case, Leila's job is making sure that we know the effect before we
deploy.

So, what I really mean to say is:

   1. You're right.  We should do this better.  We have a process and
   everyone should go through it.  It might have caught some of the issues
   that have been raised.
   2. Leila is WMF staff.  She's trying to help the WMF build better
   software for the purpose of benefiting Wikipedians.  Her team deserves some
   slack.  The alternative of not running the study is less desirable.

-Aaron

On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Michelle Paulson mpaul...@wikimedia.org
wrote:

 Hi All,

 Please see in-line below.

 -Michelle

 On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Leila Zia le...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  + Michelle Paulson
 
  On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com
  javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wiki.p...@gmail.com'); wrote:
 
  This issue is also being discussed on the Research mailing list.
 
  I have three questions:
 
  1. Was this outreach method approved by RCom?
 
   No, and RCom, as far as I know has not been active in the past year or
  more (last meeting was on Dec. 22, 2011). This is a research from the
  Research team in the WMF.
 
  2. Email addresses are nonpublic information on-wiki unless they are
  proactively and publicly disclosed by users. Does the bulk collection of
  nonpublic email addresses in this manner and the bulk provision of those
  addresses to researchers for their use in this campaign violate the
  Wikimedia privacy policy? The policy states regarding email, We use
 your
  email address to let you know about things that are happening with the
  Foundation, the Wikimedia Sites, or the Wikimedia movement, such as
 telling
  you important information about your account, letting you know if
 something
  is changing about the Wikimedia Sites or policies, and alerting you when
  there has been a change to an article that you have decided to follow.
 The
  bulk scraping of email addresses from account registrations for research
  and outreach purposes doesn't appear to be contemplated or authorized
 under
  the privacy policy.
 
  Michelle can help with this one as this is related to Legal. Note that
  it's weekend here and this may have to wait until Monday.
 

 The research team did speak to me prior to beginning this project to ensure
 that they complied with