Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

2012-10-10 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:12 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: >> Hopefully this can be refactored on the wiki as comments on the annual plan. > > I feel it is too late to comment on the wiki about the annual plan. There are many reasons to comment on past plans. To get better at mutual peer review, we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

2012-10-09 Thread James Alexander
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:07 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > Does the merchandise store, which will cost USD 311000, have an ROI > published somewhere? > > *Hey John, I put a bit about the shop budget at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_budget#Shop after a request from Nemo but I’m hap

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

2012-10-09 Thread John Vandenberg
On Oct 10, 2012 6:38 AM, "Samuel Klein" wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:07 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > > Does the merchandise store, which will cost USD 311000, have an ROI > > published somewhere? > > > > I think some 'Research' is needed in WMF core, however any funds under > > 'Research'

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

2012-10-09 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 10 October 2012 00:31, Samuel Klein wrote: > Agreed. If we split movement-wide costs into "essential", "high > priority", and "non-core", I think the FDC should grow to review most > of the non-essential funds. Which would include more than 10% of the > WMF budget. If you view it from a func

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

2012-10-09 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:07 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > Does the merchandise store, which will cost USD 311000, have an ROI > published somewhere? > > I think some 'Research' is needed in WMF core, however any funds under > 'Research' should be granted to, and administrated by, an academic > ins

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

2012-10-09 Thread Samuel Klein
A quick reply: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:38 AM, charles andrès wrote: > > If you consider the WMF financial reserves it's true, but for what I > understand, the FDC should decide about the distribution of the forthcoming > fundraising and so we can only guess that the movement has no fundings

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

2012-10-09 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
In short, don't worry about what's "core" or "non core", those are just words (like calling horses "fishes" and vice versa). The WMF runs the FDC process and of course decides also what are its boundaries. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

2012-10-08 Thread John Vandenberg
Does the merchandise store, which will cost USD 311000, have an ROI published somewhere? I think some 'Research' is needed in WMF core, however any funds under 'Research' should be granted to, and administrated by, an academic institution. Preferably via a competitive program. John Vandenberg. se

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

2012-10-08 Thread Tilman Bayer
Here's the relevant part of the Annual Plan FAQ: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/2012-2013_Annual_Plan_Questions_and_Answers#What_is_the_impact_of_the_FDC_on_this_plan.3F (see in particular the items "How are core and non-core defined?" and "Why is non-core defined the way it is? Doesn’t it ma

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

2012-10-08 Thread charles andrès
Dear Sue, I partially disagree with the statement "we're not in a position where we need to make extraordinarily difficult choices about whether to preserve" If you consider the WMF financial reserves it's true, but for what I understand, the FDC should decide about the distribution of the forth

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

2012-10-08 Thread Sue Gardner
On 8 October 2012 12:18, Thomas Dalton wrote: > It seems clear to me, based on the end result and what foundation board and > senior staff have said, that they decided an account of money they wanted > to request from the FDC and then decided what to designate as non-core so > that it added up to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

2012-10-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
It seems clear to me, based on the end result and what foundation board and senior staff have said, that they decided an account of money they wanted to request from the FDC and then decided what to designate as non-core so that it added up to that amount. Rather disingenuous of them, but Sue has

[Wikimedia-l] WMF core and non core expenses

2012-10-08 Thread Itzik Edri
Hi, As agreed, the WMF is also sending their non-core program to the FDC approval, you can see their proposal here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/2012-2013_round1/Wikimedia_Foundation/Proposal_form But I'm asking myself, that's all what we consider as non-core? I didn't rea