[Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-30 Thread Lucas Teles
permission to do it as it was mistakenly understood by some; it is just a heads up so community could prepare for it. Teles Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 23:29:30 -0400 From: z...@mzmcbride.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-29 Thread Tim Starling
On 05/07/13 22:09, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: The recent community initiative with the highest impact I can think of is surely what Platonides and other members of the global (technical) community did on pt.wiki. Platonides noticed a configuration error on pt.wiki: CAPTCHA was required for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-29 Thread MZMcBride
Tim Starling wrote: Note that CAPTCHAs have now been re-enabled on the Portuguese Wikipedia. Erik made the decision, in response to on-wiki consensus. I deployed the change just now. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49860#c75 Lest there be any confusion or doubt: this is a Bad

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-12 Thread ImperfectlyInformed
Steven Walling steven.walling@... writes: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Erik Moeller erik at wikimedia.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Steven Walling swalling at wikimedia.org wrote: On July 11th at the next WMF Metrics Activities meeting, myself, Erik Möller,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org wrote: On July 11th at the next WMF Metrics Activities meeting, myself, Erik Möller, Howie Fung, Maryana Pinchuk, and Dario Taraborelli are going to deliver a short update on the state of Wikimedia editor communities. (For

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-11 Thread Tim Starling
On 05/07/13 22:09, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: The recent community initiative with the highest impact I can think of is surely what Platonides and other members of the global (technical) community did on pt.wiki. Platonides noticed a configuration error on pt.wiki: CAPTCHA was required for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-11 Thread Steven Walling
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org wrote: On July 11th at the next WMF Metrics Activities meeting, myself, Erik Möller, Howie Fung, Maryana Pinchuk, and Dario Taraborelli are going

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-11 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Tim Starling, 12/07/2013 01:14: Of course, the pt.wp community was well aware of the situation. I don't think so. Some community members were, but very few. It took 7 months to get a local discussion/vote on the matter start and conclude. Proceurally, the absence of consensus for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-11 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org wrote: On July 11th at the next WMF Metrics Activities meeting,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-07 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Oona Castro ocas...@wikimedia.org wrote: For now, it's worth mentioning the Portuguese Wikipedia community has been working on this antivandalism project http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia_Discuss%C3%A3o:Projetos/AntiVandalismoin order to build

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-07 Thread Henrique Andrade
I'm following this ptwiki captcha case closely and I think I can bring some elements for this conversation. The portuguese community was surprised by the removal of catcha promoted by the global (technical) community. This situation led then to react and a long discussion was held not only about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi Steven, When the facts show that having the CAPTCHA is a demonstrable BAD idea. It should be easy to prevent CAPTCHA from being implemented again. I am sure you know who to speak to. Thanks, GerardM On 5 July 2013 21:02, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 5,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-06 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 7:49 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Hoi Steven, When the facts show that having the CAPTCHA is a demonstrable BAD idea. It should be easy to prevent CAPTCHA from being implemented again. To be precise, the facts do not show that. They show the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-06 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Asaf Bartov, 06/07/2013 23:51: To be precise, the facts do not show that. They show the CAPTCHA is responsible for significantly fewer good-faith contributions from casual editors. That is is or is not a bad idea, however, is a subjective judgment, based on one's weighing of multiple factors.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-06 Thread Oona Castro
That's been a very complex issue. Henrique will bring more context into here. For now, it's worth mentioning the Portuguese Wikipedia community has been working on this antivandalism project http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia_Discuss%C3%A3o:Projetos/AntiVandalismoin order to build

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-05 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
The recent community initiative with the highest impact I can think of is surely what Platonides and other members of the global (technical) community did on pt.wiki. Platonides noticed a configuration error on pt.wiki: CAPTCHA was required for all edits since 2008. The error was fixed in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-05 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Wait - removing the captchas lead to a decrease of reverted edits in terms of absolute numbers? Woot? Anyone has an explanation for that? 2013/7/5 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com The recent community initiative with the highest impact I can think of is surely what Platonides and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-05 Thread Marco Chiesa
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Wait - removing the captchas lead to a decrease of reverted edits in terms of absolute numbers? Woot? Anyone has an explanation for that? Maybe a CAPTCHA is effective at demotivating bona fide editors and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-05 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Denny Vrandečić, 05/07/2013 17:42: Wait - removing the captchas lead to a decrease of reverted edits in terms of absolute numbers? Woot? Anyone has an explanation for that? No, sorry if I was misleading: decrease in relative numbers only. :) The tables are fairly readable even if you don't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-05 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/05/2013 01:07 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: No, sorry if I was misleading: decrease in relative numbers only. That's not surprising; someone with malice aforethought isn't going to be stopped by a captcha, someone who just though Hey, I'll correct that typo is likely to not want to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-07-05 Thread Steven Walling
On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: Wait - removing the captchas lead to a decrease of reverted edits in terms of absolute numbers? Woot? Anyone has an explanation for that? I think the explanation is pretty clear from the numbers Nemo shared.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-06-25 Thread Steven Walling
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: 1) I'm confused: first you ask about community initiatives then you list activities by chapters and the like. Community initiative makes me think of edit drives, custom tools and scripts, processes, guidelines,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-06-25 Thread Asaf Bartov
Briefly, from the train (so no links): 1. The Wikipedia Challenge competitions were not community initiatives; they were Google initiatives. 2. Agree with Nemo about tools' importance. 3. I'd call out the Tamil Wikipedia Media Contest: great return on very modest investment (of funds); and the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-06-25 Thread Tilman Bayer
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Briefly, from the train (so no links): 1. The Wikipedia Challenge competitions were not community initiatives; they were Google initiatives. 2. Agree with Nemo about tools' importance. 3. I'd call out the Tamil

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-06-24 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Steven Walling, 23/06/2013 01:34: One obvious example that comes to mind is Wiki Loves Monuments. Others are the Wikipedia Challenge in Kiswahili and Setswana, and edit-a-thons, such as this year's fashion edit-a-thon put together by Wikimedia Sverige. What am I missing from this list? I

[Wikimedia-l] What community initiatives have made an impact on editor engagement?

2013-06-22 Thread Steven Walling
Hi everyone, On July 11th at the next WMF Metrics Activities meeting, myself, Erik Möller, Howie Fung, Maryana Pinchuk, and Dario Taraborelli are going to deliver a short update on the state of Wikimedia editor communities. (For those not familiar: