Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki loves SDGs

2019-09-19 Thread Jan Ainali
I heard a great quote the other month, a rif on some older quote: "There is no free knowledge on a dead planet." Besides that, there is plenty of core activities whose stories can be told in the framework of the SDGs, because there is by nature a lot of alignment between them. And when they are,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki loves SDGs

2019-09-19 Thread Henry Wood
Ad, On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 at 20:27, Ad Huikeshoven wrote: > > tl;dr Wikipedia can engage millions, billions of people to achieve the > Sustainable Development Goals by 2030 That's nice, but the mission of the Foundation is to help everyone share in the sum of all knowledge, and people who have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki loves SDGs

2019-09-18 Thread Todd Allen
I would agree with Philippe. I don't think I am stupid, but I know at times I have said stupid things. And I think Fae's concerns are reasonable, and also call into question whether we should be encouraging tourism revenue to flow to illiberal, repressive regimes to begin with. But certainly if

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki loves SDGs

2019-09-18 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Respectfully, my friend, I disagree. I often make silly or ill considered comments. I hope those will not be the only data points used to describe me. Philippe On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 2:59 AM Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > Sorry but when you call my comments flippant, you call me flippant.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki loves SDGs

2019-09-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Sorry but when you call my comments flippant, you call me flippant. Thanks, GerardM On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 11:06, Andy Mabbett wrote: > On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 09:24, Gerard Meijssen > wrote: > > > Calling someone "flippant" is a direct attack - > > Nobody called you flippant. Fæ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki loves SDGs

2019-09-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 09:24, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Calling someone "flippant" is a direct attack - Nobody called you flippant. Fæ said "your comments are flippant" Please stop this, now. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki loves SDGs

2019-09-18 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Calling someone "flippant" is a direct attack - not showing a serious or respectful attitude - is what I find it means.. When you talk about serious risk then I am sure that you have done a proper risk analysis. When you consider risk, there is a balance to be found between the greater good

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki loves SDGs

2019-09-18 Thread Gereon Kalkuhl
Fae, at Wiki Indaba 2018 in Tunisia we had at least 1 gay participant. I was not aware of any problems at this conference. Gereon Am 18.09.2019 um 08:17 schrieb Fæ: Gerard, your comments are flippant and deflect from the serious risk that our volunteers and employees are being subject to.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki loves SDGs

2019-09-18 Thread
Gerard, your comments are flippant and deflect from the serious risk that our volunteers and employees are being subject to. Tunis is unsafe for LGBT+ people. None of our LGBT+ volunteers or employees should travel to tunis. LGBT+ travellers risk 3 years in prison, not in theory, in practice

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki loves SDGs

2019-09-17 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, To be honest, there are great reasons not to having meetings in the United States for similar reasons. The notion of conversion of homosexuality is alive and well, even though people who care to look at the science know that it does not work. The murder rate among LGBTI people is sky high.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki loves SDGs

2019-09-17 Thread
It astonishing that the WMF and affiliates are supporting a conference in Tunis. The country is not safe for LGBT+ people, including tourists, despite what promotional holiday and travel websites imply. I urge anyone who is LGBT+ and booked to go to this conference, including WMF employees,

[Wikimedia-l] Wiki loves SDGs

2019-09-17 Thread Ad Huikeshoven
tl;dr Wikipedia can engage millions, billions of people to achieve the Sustainable Development Goals by 2030 Wikimedians and Wikipedians around the world have been involved with Wikimedia 2030 since 2015. The strategic direction is to build the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free