Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata, templates, Modules Lua

2014-01-05 Thread Rschen7754 
There doesn’t seem to be widespread deployment even on the English Wikipedia - 
I think this is a global issue.

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On Jan 5, 2014, at 6:00 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo)  wrote:

> We got some experience on how to instruct "newbies" about such concepts 
> during , but I agree with this:
> 
> Gerard Meijssen, 05/01/2014 13:31:
>> When the Swedish community finds it hard to create the appropriate LUA
>> programs and templates, consider how this scales to the smaller projects.  
>> [...]
> 
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50329 is what's really needed 
> here and a chapter could perhaps take the lead. There are a few pages 
> discussing the thing but this still has to be written down in 
> .
> 
> Nemo
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata, templates, Modules Lua

2014-01-05 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo) 
We got some experience on how to instruct "newbies" about such concepts 
during , but I agree with 
this:


Gerard Meijssen, 05/01/2014 13:31:

When the Swedish community finds it hard to create the appropriate LUA
programs and templates, consider how this scales to the smaller projects.  [...]


https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50329 is what's really 
needed here and a chapter could perhaps take the lead. There are a few 
pages discussing the thing but this still has to be written down in 
.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata, templates, Modules Lua

2014-01-05 Thread Gerard Meijssen 
Hoi,
When your question is, is it possible for the work of professionals who
write LUA programs to make sense particularly in the bigger WMF context,
the context of the 285+ Wikipedias, my answer is yes.

What I would like is for them to take up the challenge and internationalise
the LUA programs and find a way to get them localised. You may want to
cooperate with the translatewiki.net community. That would imho be optimal.

When the Swedish community finds it hard to create the appropriate LUA
programs and templates, consider how this scales to the smaller projects.
Every Wiki will benefit from standardisation of internationalisation and
LUA best practices.. there are more smaller projects. Finding a way to
localise and distribute the best and the brightest LUA software is a
challenge that will benefit from the endurance a professional brings to us
all.
Thanks,
 GerardM



On 5 January 2014 12:41, Anders Wennersten  wrote:

> On sv:wp we are several hundreds of competent and active contributers.
> Many of these have limited technical competence, so it will only be about a
> third of these able to enter iw links in wikidata and writing a template.
> This still leaves a few hundreds who easily supports the other 2/3rds with
> this competence
>
> But when in comes understand the other parts of Wikidata and how to get
> that data into articles and templates, the number dwindles leaving only
> about 50 understanding this. It is still enough to discuss and give general
> broader support but it is starting to become a bottleneck in implementing
> broader usage of Wikidata. Then we come to the fact that for a successful
> implementation you need to develop Modules written i Lua. And here it is
> needed full programming comptence, and on sv:wp there will only be 5-10
> having this level of competence. And this then becomes a subcritical mass
> as these persons  do not have the ambition to develop Modules for others.
> Also two of these competent ones are employed by WMSE, perhaps this is
> typical, if you have that level of competence you will be very busy in your
> paid profession as sw developer.
>
> We are now in a discussions in WMSE and the community if it would be
> acceptable that chapter resources help in writing Lua code in Modules for
> people in the community in need but lacking that competence? It is not a
> volume or cost issue as it is still no major effort, but more a principle
> one  if if can be Ok in this way to make the Chapter not only support the
> community but also in this direct way creating thing for Wikipedia.
>
> Are there experince from other communities or chapters on this dilemma?
>
> Anders
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata, templates, Modules Lua

2014-01-05 Thread Fred Bauder 
> On sv:wp we are several hundreds of competent and active contributers.
> Many of these have limited technical competence, so it will only be
> about a third of these able to enter iw links in wikidata and writing a
> template. This still leaves a few hundreds who easily supports the other
> 2/3rds with this competence
>
> But when in comes understand the other parts of Wikidata and how to get
> that data into articles and templates, the number dwindles leaving only
> about 50 understanding this. It is still enough to discuss and give
> general broader support but it is starting to become a bottleneck in
> implementing broader usage of Wikidata. Then we come to the fact that
> for a successful implementation you need to develop Modules written i
> Lua. And here it is needed full programming comptence, and on sv:wp
> there will only be 5-10 having this level of competence. And this then
> becomes a subcritical mass as these persons  do not have the ambition to
> develop Modules for others. Also two of these competent ones are
> employed by WMSE, perhaps this is typical, if you have that level of
> competence you will be very busy in your paid profession as sw developer.
>
> We are now in a discussions in WMSE and the community if it would be
> acceptable that chapter resources help in writing Lua code in Modules
> for people in the community in need but lacking that competence? It is
> not a volume or cost issue as it is still no major effort, but more a
> principle one  if if can be Ok in this way to make the Chapter not only
> support the community but also in this direct way creating thing for
> Wikipedia.
>
> Are there experince from other communities or chapters on this dilemma?
>
> Anders

If I can do it by myself on Wikinfo, a few people fluent in Swedish and
English can do it for the Swedish Wikipedia; all you need to do is copy
the Wikipedia modules and suitably translate English language into
Swedish where needed.

Fred


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[Wikimedia-l] Wikidata, templates, Modules Lua

2014-01-05 Thread Anders Wennersten 
On sv:wp we are several hundreds of competent and active contributers. 
Many of these have limited technical competence, so it will only be 
about a third of these able to enter iw links in wikidata and writing a 
template. This still leaves a few hundreds who easily supports the other 
2/3rds with this competence


But when in comes understand the other parts of Wikidata and how to get 
that data into articles and templates, the number dwindles leaving only 
about 50 understanding this. It is still enough to discuss and give 
general broader support but it is starting to become a bottleneck in 
implementing broader usage of Wikidata. Then we come to the fact that 
for a successful implementation you need to develop Modules written i 
Lua. And here it is needed full programming comptence, and on sv:wp 
there will only be 5-10 having this level of competence. And this then 
becomes a subcritical mass as these persons  do not have the ambition to 
develop Modules for others. Also two of these competent ones are 
employed by WMSE, perhaps this is typical, if you have that level of 
competence you will be very busy in your paid profession as sw developer.


We are now in a discussions in WMSE and the community if it would be 
acceptable that chapter resources help in writing Lua code in Modules 
for people in the community in need but lacking that competence? It is 
not a volume or cost issue as it is still no major effort, but more a 
principle one  if if can be Ok in this way to make the Chapter not only 
support the community but also in this direct way creating thing for 
Wikipedia.


Are there experince from other communities or chapters on this dilemma?

Anders


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