My friends and colleagues at EFF, Access Now, and elsewhere -- as well
as individual scholars and commentators like Marvin Ammori -- know me,
Those will all be Google shills correct?
Incorrect. My work, and EFF's work, to take two example, predate
Google's involvement in public policy by 15 years.
I understand that for keyboard cowboys it may be hard to understand
that mere agreement with a corporation some of the time does not equal
being a shill and does not entail agreeing with a corporation all
the time. But those of us who actually do activism and public policy
work know who we are and why we do it.
In those contexts, I've never heard of you before. Tell us more about
your activism and public-policy work!
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2015-04-02 18:25 GMT+02:00 Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com
2015-04-02 15:16 GMT+02:00 Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com:
As mentioned previously, what I have seen is recent additions to
Internet.org, describing Internet.org app launches bundling Wikipedia Zero
and Facebook Zero (along with a small and varying number of other sites) in
the following countries:
I need another clarification. As far as I know (and I recall a
question in the board QA at Wikimania in London), it's internet.org
making available Wikipedia content (as per the license) on their app.
It is not an initiative of the Wikimedia Foundation and (therefore) it
is not related to Wikipedia Zero. Also, internet.org/Facebook can do
this thanks to our license (more below). Unless something changed in
the last months you can not say that Wikipedia Zero is bundled with
Note that Facebook actually seems to contain a complete mirror of
Wikipedia, judging by the presence of even fairly obscure Wikipedia
articles on its pages (selected using Random article). See e.g.
This is failry old news, these pages exists since 2010:
Given the limitations Wikipedia Zero users labour under, it is actually
fairly immaterial to users whether they see the Wikipedia article in
Facebook Zero or Wikipedia Zero. The key difference is that in Facebook
Zero, they will not see Wikipedia's logo and fundraising banners. (They
also can't see the talk pages in Facebook.) They will have a less clear
impression of Wikipedia's brand, and the whole thing will still primarily
be a Facebook experience to them.
I see the problem, but this is not related at all with Net Neutrality.
This is what you can do with any free/libre content. There is no way
to stop Facebook (or Flickr [sic et simpliciter]) from reusing our
content. Let me quote SJ (again from the Board QA in London) Please
reuse our content. There should be as few limitations as possible to
reusing the content, in principle. Wikipedia is the free encyclopedia
for this very exact reason after all. Even in a world with the
strongest possible Net Neutrality laws in force Facebook will be able
to do this.
Let me weigh in another argument, I know that the idea of a Public
space on the internet is accepted even in the framework of Net
Neutrality. The idea is that some list of websites that offer public
services (e.g. government