Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia has been accepted as a mentor organization in GSoC 2019!

[Dan Garry (Deskana)]

As Srishti says, community wishlist items tend to be very under-defined,
with open-ended and ambiguous deliverables, and exist in complex spaces.
These things are okay because the people handling them are professionals
who are trained specifically to distill open-ended projects into specific
deliverables, and because the contract with community wishlist items is
specifically *not* that the items will be done, but that the items will be
evaluated and responded to.

On the other hand, projects like GSoC are aimed at training and mentoring
people new to software development on best practices, coding paradigms, and
so on. The students need very well-defined, specific projects in order to
succeed, and wishlist items tend not to have these characteristics. Simply
funnelling wishlist items directly into GSoC would set up the participants
for failure.

So, some kind of refinement of the wishlist items is needed. Now, it
*is* possible
to distill certain wishlist items down into small, byte-sized, well-defined
GSoC projects, for sure. But that will take time, user research,
resourcing, etc. I think that's worth doing, but it is a resourcing
question, and we need to ask the question of what other work the product
folks will drop in order to make that happen.

Dan

On Wed, 27 Feb 2019 at 03:01, James Heilman  wrote:

> We have a lot of amazing potential projects that just missed the selection
> criteria for the community wish list in 2019
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Results
>
> Would some of these quality as projects?
>
> James
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 2:11 PM Srishti Sethi 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > Wikimedia has been accepted as a mentor organization in the Google Summer
> > of Code 2019 with 207 open source projects
> > 
> > :)
> > And, application period for Outreachy Round 18 started last week.
> >
> > We have listed a few ideas for projects for both programs on MediaWiki
> and
> > we are looking for more. Unlike Google Summer of Code, Outreachy is open
> to
> > non-students and non-coders and projects could be around documentation,
> > design, translation research, outreach, etc. View current list of ideas:
> >
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2019
> >
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_18
> >
> > Both these programs have a similar timeline for the summer round.
> Accepted
> > candidates will work with mentors from May to August 2019. If you are
> > interested in mentoring a project, create a task on Phabricator and tag
> it
> > with #outreach-programs-projects and #Google-Summer-of-Code (2019) or
> > #Outreachy (Round 18). You can also choose to mentor for projects already
> > on outreach-programs-projects
> > 
> > workboard. Remember, every project must have two mentors.
> >
> > Some helpful resources for you:
> > * Learn more about the roles and responsibilities of a mentor:
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Mentors
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Mentors
> >
> > * View full program timeline:
> > https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
> > https://www.outreachy.org/apply/project-selection/
> >
> > Looking forward to your participation! :)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Srishti, Derick and Pratyush (Wikimedia org admins)
> >
> >
> > *Srishti Sethi*
> > Developer Advocate
> > Wikimedia Foundation 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia has been accepted as a mentor organization in GSoC 2019!

[Nick Wilson (Quiddity)]

Hi James,

I'd like to emphasize the point (so that non-devs are aware) that outreach
programs are generally more work for a mentor than "just implement the
feature yourself" would be. I.e. The mentors generally have to help onboard
the newcomer and get their tools setup properly, and then understand the
feature that is being built better than the newcomer does, and other
additional tasks.
The tangential outcomes can be hugely beneficial -- training a new
community member, helping identify weaknesses in our existing docs, often
finding other new bugs which the mentee will describe very clearly, helping
the mentor understand new areas, etc -- but outreach programs are
definitely not a shortcut to getting more wishlist items completed quickly.
They often require more time-resources, not fewer.

The other important aspect for many community wishlist items in particular,
is that they are often "wishlist items" because they are very complicated
(for technical or social reasons) and hence have not been done for many
years. If they were (relatively) simple enough for a newcomer to complete,
they would've already been solved years ago!

Cheers,

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 10:36 AM Srishti Sethi  wrote:

> Yeah, we can! But, we need projects with a clear scope and two mentors who
> are willing to provide guidance to students throughout the summer
> (May-August) as they develop their projects. And, this is not necessarily
> the case with community wishlist projects that are not in the top 10. In
> the past, we have tried to promote the wishlist projects through our
> outreach programs but couldn't make any progress.
>
> If any developer is interested in mentoring a project from the wishlist, I
> would be happy to chat with them!
>
> *Srishti Sethi*
> Developer Advocate
> Wikimedia Foundation 
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 7:01 PM James Heilman  wrote:
>
> > We have a lot of amazing potential projects that just missed the
> selection
> > criteria for the community wish list in 2019
> >
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Results
> >
> > Would some of these quality as projects?
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 2:11 PM Srishti Sethi 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hello everyone,
> >>
> >> Wikimedia has been accepted as a mentor organization in the Google
> Summer
> >> of Code 2019 with 207 open source projects
> >>  >
> >> :)
> >> And, application period for Outreachy Round 18 started last week.
> >>
> >> We have listed a few ideas for projects for both programs on MediaWiki
> and
> >> we are looking for more. Unlike Google Summer of Code, Outreachy is open
> >> to
> >> non-students and non-coders and projects could be around documentation,
> >> design, translation research, outreach, etc. View current list of ideas:
> >>
> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2019
> >>
> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_18
> >>
> >> Both these programs have a similar timeline for the summer round.
> Accepted
> >> candidates will work with mentors from May to August 2019. If you are
> >> interested in mentoring a project, create a task on Phabricator and tag
> it
> >> with #outreach-programs-projects and #Google-Summer-of-Code (2019) or
> >> #Outreachy (Round 18). You can also choose to mentor for projects
> already
> >> on outreach-programs-projects
> >> 
> >> workboard. Remember, every project must have two mentors.
> >>
> >> Some helpful resources for you:
> >> * Learn more about the roles and responsibilities of a mentor:
> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Mentors
> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Mentors
> >>
> >> * View full program timeline:
> >> https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
> >> https://www.outreachy.org/apply/project-selection/
> >>
> >> Looking forward to your participation! :)
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Srishti, Derick and Pratyush (Wikimedia org admins)
> >>
> >>
> >> *Srishti Sethi*
> >> Developer Advocate
> >> Wikimedia Foundation 
> >> ___
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> >
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia has been accepted as a mentor organization in GSoC 2019!

[Srishti Sethi]

Yeah, we can! But, we need projects with a clear scope and two mentors who
are willing to provide guidance to students throughout the summer
(May-August) as they develop their projects. And, this is not necessarily
the case with community wishlist projects that are not in the top 10. In
the past, we have tried to promote the wishlist projects through our
outreach programs but couldn't make any progress.

If any developer is interested in mentoring a project from the wishlist, I
would be happy to chat with them!

*Srishti Sethi*
Developer Advocate
Wikimedia Foundation 



On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 7:01 PM James Heilman  wrote:

> We have a lot of amazing potential projects that just missed the selection
> criteria for the community wish list in 2019
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Results
>
> Would some of these quality as projects?
>
> James
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 2:11 PM Srishti Sethi 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Wikimedia has been accepted as a mentor organization in the Google Summer
>> of Code 2019 with 207 open source projects
>> 
>> :)
>> And, application period for Outreachy Round 18 started last week.
>>
>> We have listed a few ideas for projects for both programs on MediaWiki and
>> we are looking for more. Unlike Google Summer of Code, Outreachy is open
>> to
>> non-students and non-coders and projects could be around documentation,
>> design, translation research, outreach, etc. View current list of ideas:
>>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2019
>>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_18
>>
>> Both these programs have a similar timeline for the summer round. Accepted
>> candidates will work with mentors from May to August 2019. If you are
>> interested in mentoring a project, create a task on Phabricator and tag it
>> with #outreach-programs-projects and #Google-Summer-of-Code (2019) or
>> #Outreachy (Round 18). You can also choose to mentor for projects already
>> on outreach-programs-projects
>> 
>> workboard. Remember, every project must have two mentors.
>>
>> Some helpful resources for you:
>> * Learn more about the roles and responsibilities of a mentor:
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Mentors
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Mentors
>>
>> * View full program timeline:
>> https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
>> https://www.outreachy.org/apply/project-selection/
>>
>> Looking forward to your participation! :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Srishti, Derick and Pratyush (Wikimedia org admins)
>>
>>
>> *Srishti Sethi*
>> Developer Advocate
>> Wikimedia Foundation 
>> ___
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>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia has been accepted as a mentor organization in GSoC 2019!

[James Heilman]

We have a lot of amazing potential projects that just missed the selection
criteria for the community wish list in 2019

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2019/Results

Would some of these quality as projects?

James

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 2:11 PM Srishti Sethi  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Wikimedia has been accepted as a mentor organization in the Google Summer
> of Code 2019 with 207 open source projects
> 
> :)
> And, application period for Outreachy Round 18 started last week.
>
> We have listed a few ideas for projects for both programs on MediaWiki and
> we are looking for more. Unlike Google Summer of Code, Outreachy is open to
> non-students and non-coders and projects could be around documentation,
> design, translation research, outreach, etc. View current list of ideas:
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2019
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_18
>
> Both these programs have a similar timeline for the summer round. Accepted
> candidates will work with mentors from May to August 2019. If you are
> interested in mentoring a project, create a task on Phabricator and tag it
> with #outreach-programs-projects and #Google-Summer-of-Code (2019) or
> #Outreachy (Round 18). You can also choose to mentor for projects already
> on outreach-programs-projects
> 
> workboard. Remember, every project must have two mentors.
>
> Some helpful resources for you:
> * Learn more about the roles and responsibilities of a mentor:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Mentors
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Mentors
>
> * View full program timeline:
> https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
> https://www.outreachy.org/apply/project-selection/
>
> Looking forward to your participation! :)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Srishti, Derick and Pratyush (Wikimedia org admins)
>
>
> *Srishti Sethi*
> Developer Advocate
> Wikimedia Foundation 
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[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia has been accepted as a mentor organization in GSoC 2019!

[Srishti Sethi]

Hello everyone,

Wikimedia has been accepted as a mentor organization in the Google Summer
of Code 2019 with 207 open source projects
 :)
And, application period for Outreachy Round 18 started last week.

We have listed a few ideas for projects for both programs on MediaWiki and
we are looking for more. Unlike Google Summer of Code, Outreachy is open to
non-students and non-coders and projects could be around documentation,
design, translation research, outreach, etc. View current list of ideas:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2019

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Round_18

Both these programs have a similar timeline for the summer round. Accepted
candidates will work with mentors from May to August 2019. If you are
interested in mentoring a project, create a task on Phabricator and tag it
with #outreach-programs-projects and #Google-Summer-of-Code (2019) or
#Outreachy (Round 18). You can also choose to mentor for projects already
on outreach-programs-projects

workboard. Remember, every project must have two mentors.

Some helpful resources for you:
* Learn more about the roles and responsibilities of a mentor:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Mentors
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Outreachy/Mentors

* View full program timeline:
https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/timeline
https://www.outreachy.org/apply/project-selection/

Looking forward to your participation! :)

Cheers,

Srishti, Derick and Pratyush (Wikimedia org admins)


*Srishti Sethi*
Developer Advocate
Wikimedia Foundation 
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