Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiktionary language study

2015-07-05 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Dennis During dcdur...@gmail.com wrote:
 Easier for whom?

Since it'll be more machine-readable than it is now it'll be easier
for a programmer to make use of the data to build a tool like you
proposed or use it in an existing tool.

 Is there an ETA for that?

No. It's quite some work but it's definitely something I want to make
happen. It's unclear when we can start working on it.


Cheers
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiktionary language study

2015-07-05 Thread Dennis During
I'm getting old, so I may not be able to wait for the completion of a
project that hasn't started. I guess I'm looking for something that can be
demonstrated soon, for one class of vocabulary (language or technical
jargon), before the year is out or sooner.

I will probably try to assemble content in an area like taxonomic plant
names (families) or amino acids or something, see what the flashcard
program Anki requires, and find someone at Wiktionary who can develop some
easy interface for end-user downloads.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Lydia Pintscher 
lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 4:37 AM, Dennis During dcdur...@gmail.com wrote:
  Easier for whom?

 Since it'll be more machine-readable than it is now it'll be easier
 for a programmer to make use of the data to build a tool like you
 proposed or use it in an existing tool.

  Is there an ETA for that?

 No. It's quite some work but it's definitely something I want to make
 happen. It's unclear when we can start working on it.


 Cheers
 Lydia

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiktionary language study

2015-07-04 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 6:50 PM,  d...@bisharat.net wrote:
 An idea buried in the text: Would it be possible to develop a kind of 
 flashcard function based on random page by language where entry headwords 
 for the chosen language would be generated without the definition(s)?

This will become considerably easier once we have Wikidata support for
Wiktionary. The latest proposal for how to do this is at
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development/Proposals/2015-05
and welcoming feedback.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiktionary language study

2015-07-04 Thread Dennis During
This will become considerably easier once we have Wikidata support for
Wiktionary. The latest proposal for how to do this is at
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development/Proposals/2015-05
and welcoming feedback.

Easier for whom?
Is there an ETA for that?

On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Lydia Pintscher 
lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 6:50 PM,  d...@bisharat.net wrote:
  An idea buried in the text: Would it be possible to develop a kind of
 flashcard function based on random page by language where entry
 headwords for the chosen language would be generated without the
 definition(s)?

 This will become considerably easier once we have Wikidata support for
 Wiktionary. The latest proposal for how to do this is at

 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary/Development/Proposals/2015-05
 and welcoming feedback.


 Cheers
 Lydia

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiktionary language study

2015-07-03 Thread Dennis During
Online flashcards would be useful for demonstrating the idea to those not
familiar with some aspect of them.  Directing users to the sources of
software for their platforms would be in the interests of both users
(better individualization, no need for connectivity) and MW (less server
load).

The need is to overcome some of the barriers that the blog article
identified to make the enterprise appear likely to succeed so that more
folks can get involved and hep it succeed.

Priorities for achieving early successes are important.

1. Simple flashcards do not require the development of inflection
templates, though inflection templates would be important milestones.
2. Core vocabulary is basic and may help recruit folks with the skills
required to achieve more advanced objectives.


On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 11:40 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 I agree: there are excellent free-software flashcard programs out there,
 and no need to duplicate that functionality.  This does suggest that
 convenient export functions (e.g. by category, by language) in formats
 expected by Anki etc. could enable a lot more use of Wiktionaries as
 sources for vocabulary study.

A.

 On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Dennis During dcdur...@gmail.com wrote:

  The flashcard function idea is not essential, given the availability of
  superior free, open-source, multi-platform flashcard programs like Anki.
  But it might be a good tool for engaging folks.
 
  There are Swadesh lists for many languages, which should be supplemented
 by
  more contemporary words and phrases.
 
  It seems interesting and possibly grant-worthy.  But finding the talent
 to
  persevere is non-trivial.
 
  On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, d...@bisharat.net wrote:
 
   Of possible interest - perspectives on use of en.woktionary 
   fr.wiktionary for vocabulary learning/review, with focus on African
   languages:
  
  
  
 
 http://niamey.blogspot.com/2015/07/wiktionary-as-tool-for-african-language.html
  
   An idea buried in the text: Would it be possible to develop a kind of
   flashcard function based on random page by language where entry
   headwords for the chosen language would be generated without the
   definition(s)?
  
   Don Osborn
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiktionary language study

2015-07-02 Thread Dennis During
The flashcard function idea is not essential, given the availability of
superior free, open-source, multi-platform flashcard programs like Anki.
But it might be a good tool for engaging folks.

There are Swadesh lists for many languages, which should be supplemented by
more contemporary words and phrases.

It seems interesting and possibly grant-worthy.  But finding the talent to
persevere is non-trivial.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, d...@bisharat.net wrote:

 Of possible interest - perspectives on use of en.woktionary 
 fr.wiktionary for vocabulary learning/review, with focus on African
 languages:


 http://niamey.blogspot.com/2015/07/wiktionary-as-tool-for-african-language.html

 An idea buried in the text: Would it be possible to develop a kind of
 flashcard function based on random page by language where entry
 headwords for the chosen language would be generated without the
 definition(s)?

 Don Osborn

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiktionary language study

2015-07-02 Thread Asaf Bartov
I agree: there are excellent free-software flashcard programs out there,
and no need to duplicate that functionality.  This does suggest that
convenient export functions (e.g. by category, by language) in formats
expected by Anki etc. could enable a lot more use of Wiktionaries as
sources for vocabulary study.

   A.

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Dennis During dcdur...@gmail.com wrote:

 The flashcard function idea is not essential, given the availability of
 superior free, open-source, multi-platform flashcard programs like Anki.
 But it might be a good tool for engaging folks.

 There are Swadesh lists for many languages, which should be supplemented by
 more contemporary words and phrases.

 It seems interesting and possibly grant-worthy.  But finding the talent to
 persevere is non-trivial.

 On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, d...@bisharat.net wrote:

  Of possible interest - perspectives on use of en.woktionary 
  fr.wiktionary for vocabulary learning/review, with focus on African
  languages:
 
 
 
 http://niamey.blogspot.com/2015/07/wiktionary-as-tool-for-african-language.html
 
  An idea buried in the text: Would it be possible to develop a kind of
  flashcard function based on random page by language where entry
  headwords for the chosen language would be generated without the
  definition(s)?
 
  Don Osborn
 
  Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
 
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[Wikimedia-l] Wiktionary language study

2015-07-02 Thread dzo
Of possible interest - perspectives on use of en.woktionary  fr.wiktionary for 
vocabulary learning/review, with focus on African languages:

http://niamey.blogspot.com/2015/07/wiktionary-as-tool-for-african-language.html

An idea buried in the text: Would it be possible to develop a kind of 
flashcard function based on random page by language where entry headwords 
for the chosen language would be generated without the definition(s)?

Don Osborn

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