Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Flow eliminate wikitext sandbox practice?

2014-09-17 Thread Mark 

On 9/16/14, 12:22 AM, Jan Ainali wrote:

2014-09-15 23:54 GMT+02:00 James Salsman :


In the recent discussion of editor engagement effectiveness on
wiki-research-l, the question of Flow's affect on talk page wikitext
practice arose. I would like to know whether anyone shares my concern that
eliminating wikitext talk pages will remove what has, for the past few
terabytes of edits, served the same purpose as the "sandbox" pages which we
encourage new editors to practice with.


Is that just enwp? On svwp we do not encourage people to use the talk pages
as sandboxes. Instead we have a default-on gadget with a link to
[[Special:MyPage/Sandbox]].


It's not very common to use it as a pure sandbox on enwiki, but it is 
fairly common (or at least, not rare) to use it as a place to 
propose/draft/revise edits, mainly for controversial articles and/or 
where the person is not 100% sure about the edit they're proposing, so 
wants to discuss it first. Having the talk page render wikitext does 
make this part easier. It's not strictly required, but it lets you write 
comments like,


===
I think there's a problem with the section 'blah', and I'd propose 
starting by replacing the 3rd paragraph with this completely rewritten one:


:Draft of the rewritten paragraph is here.

Any thoughts on this change before I go ahead and make it? --
===

-Mark

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Flow eliminate wikitext sandbox practice?

2014-09-16 Thread quiddity 
On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Jan Ainali  wrote:

> 2014-09-15 23:54 GMT+02:00 James Salsman :
>
> > In the recent discussion of editor engagement effectiveness on
> > wiki-research-l, the question of Flow's affect on talk page wikitext
> > practice arose. I would like to know whether anyone shares my concern
> that
> > eliminating wikitext talk pages will remove what has, for the past few
> > terabytes of edits, served the same purpose as the "sandbox" pages which
> we
> > encourage new editors to practice with.
> >
>
Is that just enwp? On svwp we do not encourage people to use the talk pages
> as sandboxes. Instead we have a default-on gadget with a link to
> [[Special:MyPage/Sandbox]].
>
>
>
62 wikis have that gadget, and 50 of them have it enabled by default
currently, according to
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70499 (which is a bug-ticket
to enable the new Extension, that supercedes the gadget! This will fix the
last-second "jump" that the gadget-version causes, when it nudges the
user/echo/usertalk links to the left/right.  :)
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SandboxLink

I believe it's still in need of translation work if anyone can help with
that :)
https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate/ext-sandboxlink
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Flow eliminate wikitext sandbox practice?

2014-09-15 Thread Jan Ainali 
2014-09-15 23:54 GMT+02:00 James Salsman :

> In the recent discussion of editor engagement effectiveness on
> wiki-research-l, the question of Flow's affect on talk page wikitext
> practice arose. I would like to know whether anyone shares my concern that
> eliminating wikitext talk pages will remove what has, for the past few
> terabytes of edits, served the same purpose as the "sandbox" pages which we
> encourage new editors to practice with.
>

Is that just enwp? On svwp we do not encourage people to use the talk pages
as sandboxes. Instead we have a default-on gadget with a link to
[[Special:MyPage/Sandbox]].

/Jan
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[Wikimedia-l] Will Flow eliminate wikitext sandbox practice?

2014-09-15 Thread James Salsman 
In the recent discussion of editor engagement effectiveness on
wiki-research-l, the question of Flow's affect on talk page wikitext
practice arose. I would like to know whether anyone shares my concern that
eliminating wikitext talk pages will remove what has, for the past few
terabytes of edits, served the same purpose as the "sandbox" pages which we
encourage new editors to practice with.
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