Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-22 Thread cyrano
Le 18/02/2013 20:35, Nathan a écrit : Cyrano - I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the Board. It is self-perpetuating in every respect; the elections are advisory only, and the actual appointment of Board members is executed by the existing Board. The organization

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 22 February 2013 17:42, cyrano cyrano.faw...@gmail.com wrote: Le 18/02/2013 20:35, Nathan a écrit : Cyrano - I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the Board. It is self-perpetuating in every respect; the elections are advisory only, and the actual appointment of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-22 Thread Theo10011
Hi Cyrano I generally agreed with your underlying sentiment in the earlier email. I do believe the board or any internal power structure of an organization, has a self-perpetuating nature that preserves itself from outside influence, and at times re-affirms its own direction. But what I do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-22 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Theo10011, 22/02/2013 23:39: There is no guaranty that a third party understands or shares the values of the community; there is no guaranty that giving it influence over the candidatures for five seats will serve the cause of the community. That's a risk. I'm not to say if it should be taken or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-22 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Not really, there are many alternatives. One of them is a NomCom which works... how? no idea. So, a one time committee from 2008 made up of largely the same individuals as the ones who will decide now, in a closed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-19 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey I think that chapters represent a different part of the movement, and that their input in board composition results in different candidates than we would possibly elect :) At the same time the increased scope of affcom also gives us the option of increasing the scope of these two selected

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread James Salsman
Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: ... if you have questions that you think we should ask: feel free to suggest them here :) I have these ten questions: 1. What do you think a reasonable goal for the growth of the Wikimedia Education Program over the next five years is? 2. Do you believe that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey Thanks! I am sure that Alice is grateful for the input. I must confess though that I think that most of these questions require a deep knowledge of the movement and the community and as such disqualify a lot of potential candidates… (I would hazard a guess that none of the past appointed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 February 2013 08:19, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote: I have these ten questions: This is ridiculously inside-baseball stuff. It strikes me as possibly a bad idea to turn board selection into something like en:wp RFA. - d. ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Hi all. I would like to recommend to see the Brazil case where the recruitment of the coordinator of the Catalyst Project was done in partnership with the community http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/01/11/brazil-recruiting-and-partnership-with-the-community-moves-forward/ After the community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi Sounded like good intervention, thanks for reminding me :) Truth is of course that board Governance Committee is driving this process together with Gayle. That means that multiple community (s)elected board members are involved in the initial screening and that the whole board will be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Hi, sure I didn't mean every external consultancy is evil. Sorry if I sounded like that. Firstly, the world is not divided between good and evil, like if we had an axis of evil. :P Just as an example, the same company I just criticized had a better performance in another country. Things can vary

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread cyrano
I don't think it's about childish beliefs about evil. Money has a real influence, conflicts of interests are a real thing, and opacity at any stage allow abuses. It has been shown countless times in countless situations, empirically and scientifically, that people in power WILL use it to keep

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
I quite like questions 2, 6, 9 and 10 - the answers to those should help to show how well applicants understand our culture and what new insights they can bring to the table. The others are either too obscure for most applicants to be able to give an informed answer or aren't really things the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Anders Wennersten
I would like to promote the idea that this person should be a supporter of counties/language that is less fortunate then most of us, ie where free expression of speech is in threat and where we now see an unfortunate trend to limit the free Internet access. I have spoken with colleagues from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey And I was not responding specifically to you, no worries! Jan-Bart On Feb 18, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga t...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi, sure I didn't mean every external consultancy is evil. Sorry if I sounded like that. Firstly, the world is not divided between good

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey I seriously can't follow this, could you explain? Jan-Bart On Feb 18, 2013, at 2:11 PM, cyrano cyrano.faw...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's about childish beliefs about evil. Money has a real influence, conflicts of interests are a real thing, and opacity at any stage allow

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread cyrano
Jan-Bart, can you be more specific? Cheers Le 18/02/2013 10:55, Jan-Bart de Vreede a écrit : Hey I seriously can't follow this, could you explain? Jan-Bart On Feb 18, 2013, at 2:11 PM, cyrano cyrano.faw...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it's about childish beliefs about evil. Money has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
yes: this bit: I don't think it's about childish beliefs about evil. Money has a real influence, conflicts of interests are a real thing, and opacity at any stage allow abuses. It has been shown countless times in countless situations, empirically and scientifically, that people in power

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread cyrano
To ensure a representation of the interests of the community, the determination of a new Board Trustee cannot be influenced by the people within the Board Trustee (and even less by the WMF itself). Otherwise, it would boil down to a disguised form of cooptation. Cooptation is a way to absorb

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi On Feb 18, 2013, at 8:52 PM, cyrano cyrano.faw...@gmail.com wrote: To ensure a representation of the interests of the community, the determination of a new Board Trustee cannot be influenced by the people within the Board Trustee (and even less by the WMF itself). Otherwise, it would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
cyrano, 18/02/2013 20:52: To ensure a representation of the interests of the community, the determination of a new Board Trustee cannot be influenced by the people within the Board Trustee (and even less by the WMF itself). Otherwise, it would boil down to a disguised form of cooptation. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Jan-Bart de Vreede, 18/02/2013 21:09: I, and most of the non-profit world (not to mention the law ;) respectfully disagree and would argue that the main function of any board of trustees is more governance related. For a good summary of what our Board of Trustees' function is I would refer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread James Salsman
If I were making the decision, I would want to know how well someone would be able to research and articulate a response on these issues even without a substantial amount of background knowledge. So I'm not suggesting the questions are appropriate for anything other than written answers, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread cyrano
Le 18/02/2013 17:09, Jan-Bart de Vreede a écrit : Hi On Feb 18, 2013, at 8:52 PM, cyrano cyrano.faw...@gmail.com wrote: To ensure a representation of the interests of the community, the determination of a new Board Trustee cannot be influenced by the people within the Board Trustee (and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Nathan
Cyrano - I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of the Board. It is self-perpetuating in every respect; the elections are advisory only, and the actual appointment of Board members is executed by the existing Board. The organization has no members, and no one who is not on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey Nemo, I seriously have no idea what you are talking about. I looked at the talk page and could not find a hint. In what way is the board manual a highly misleading link? Jan-Bart On Feb 18, 2013, at 9:41 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Jan-Bart de Vreede, 18/02/2013

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Risker
The link you provided said Wikipedia board manual, Jan-Bart. The correct link is: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_board_manual#Roles_and_responsibilities Risker/Anne On 19 February 2013 01:52, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hey Nemo, I seriously

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey (have cut some items to focus on main points) On Feb 18, 2013, at 11:22 PM, cyrano cyrano.faw...@gmail.com wrote: if there is a divergence you can (s)elect different people for those five seats. The appointed seats are intended to help add specific skills/expertise to the board to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
AHHH! Oh wow, thats pretty bad. Funny thing is: I really don't have the board manual url bookmarked (terrible of me) and i googled BOARD MANUAL WIKIMEDIA… and you will never guess what the first result was…. the Wikimedia one doesnt really show up until the 6th result :( sorry about that..

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-18 Thread James Alexander
Snipping a bunch for simplicities sake On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote: I simply don't agree. a) Chapters are part of the community b) Whenever a vote comes up for an appointed seat that seat obviously does not vote, therefore the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread Itzik Edri
I don't understand. The board hired and pays to a company to find a board member? Have we tried before via our networks, chapters, and via our advisory board to find such a person (as been done until now?). On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Alice Wiegand awieg...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi everyone,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread rupert THURNER
my first thought when i read this was should i use my free time to edit wikipedia so that somebody donates money to wmf, and they use it to pay oppenheim? On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: I don't understand. The board hired and pays to a company to find a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the WMF has used Oppenheim before for senior level hiring (appointed board members and maybe C-suite level staff? I'm not sure about that last one, but I'm almost certain I recall the WMF has used Oppenheim for executive searches before.) My understanding is that the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 February 2013 21:37, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the WMF has used Oppenheim before for senior level hiring (appointed board members and maybe C-suite level staff? I'm not sure about that last one, but I'm almost certain I recall the WMF has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread Theo10011
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but the WMF has used Oppenheim before for senior level hiring (appointed board members and maybe C-suite level staff? I'm not sure about that last one, but I'm almost certain I recall the WMF

[Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread Gayle Karen Young
To respond in brief on the m|Oppenheim hire to support us administratively on this search, board searches are incredibly time and resource intensive, and need to be handled with a great deal of sensitivity. We already have a great many interested parties, so the task needs to include screening

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Indeed there's nothing to be surprised of, m/Oppenheim has always been used. Alice Wiegand, 17/02/2013 00:55: Interested individuals should contact Lisa Grossman li...@moppenheim.com I didn't understand this line: did you mean individuals interested in applying for the position or in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
On Feb 17, 2013 8:29 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: I don't understand. The board hired and pays to a company to find a board member? Have we tried before via our networks, chapters, and via our advisory board to find such a person (as been done until now?). The chapters are used to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed there's nothing to be surprised of, m/Oppenheim has always been used. Actually, the last time we were looking for a new appointed Trustee we had a NomCom in place and worked with the recruiter Eunice Azzani -

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread John Vandenberg
For context (because I needed to look it up).. I believe this vacancy is to replace the seat held by Matt Halprin, which was not renewed at the end of December 2012. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:CurrentBoardChart https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_of_trustees needs an update too

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread James Salsman
Samuel Klein wrote: ... The person we find this time will also be through our community and advisor networks Will there be an opportunity for the community to pose questions to finalists, the answers to which the Board might be able to evaluate in making a final decision?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi I would not think so. In my experience we end up with candidates who appreciate a confidential process (especially if they get turned down). We have different processes for each of the three different board member types, this is probably the most private one. But if you have questions that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-17 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Samuel Klein, 18/02/2013 01:31: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Indeed there's nothing to be surprised of, m/Oppenheim has always been used. Actually, the last time we were looking for a new appointed Trustee we had a NomCom in place and worked with the recruiter

[Wikimedia-l] Your support is wanted: The WMF Board of Trustees is looking for a new Board member

2013-02-16 Thread Alice Wiegand
Hi everyone, as you know, we have one vacant appointed seat on the Board of Trustees. We have asked m/Oppenheim Associates to assist us in finding a new board member and and we are reaching out to the community for suggestions and nominations. The Board functions as a governance body that is