Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-12 Thread MZMcBride
Gerard Meijssen wrote: >We do not care about our own. I do acknowledge that some have other >opinions but I do not have to respect such an opinion. The proof of the >pudding is after all in the eating and we allowed this to happen, no sound >came out of our community that said otherwise. What

Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-12 Thread Steinsplitter Wiki
insplitter Von: Wikimedia-l <wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org> im Auftrag von Bill Takatoshi <billtakato...@gmail.com> Gesendet: Sonntag, 5. Februar 2017 21:29 An: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Betreff: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals In the past t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-11 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, We do not care about our own. I do acknowledge that some have other opinions but I do not have to respect such an opinion. The proof of the pudding is after all in the eating and we allowed this to happen, no sound came out of our community that said otherwise. The fact of the matter is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-11 Thread Romaine Wiki
> because it has proven that we do not care about our own. Besides this is complete nonsense, that the discussion goes in this way it proofs we fail in being able to have a mature discussion on arguments and not emotions. And claiming this kind of nonsense like "we do not care about our own"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-07 Thread Pete Forsyth
On 02/07/2017 04:36 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, When we learned that one of our own was in a prison in Syria, we could not care less. A lot of words were spend on expressing how sad it was but no, we could do nothing about this because this would be "political". For me it is proof how

Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-07 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When we learned that one of our own was in a prison in Syria, we could not care less. A lot of words were spend on expressing how sad it was but no, we could do nothing about this because this would be "political". For me it is proof how little we as a community care about our own. For me

Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-07 Thread Pete Forsyth
On 02/06/2017 11:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: The huha with no banner for Bassel has cost our community because it has proven that we do not care about our own. Thanks, GerardM Gerard, You may of course continue to assert what the "huha with no banner" proves. I happen to disagree,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Credibility like quality is a two edged sword. When the suggestion is that we lose credibility, the question is to whom and also is that not exactly the point. When we take a stance or when we do not take a stance it has consequences. The huha with no banner for Bassel has cost our community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-06 Thread Romaine Wiki
To stay short and in addition of Seddon said: The more the Wikimedia movement/WMF chooses to pick a side by using a banner above all projects (like Wikipedia) - calling yes/no for a strike is taking a side - the more it can loose credibility. For the same reason as we do not want advertisements,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-06 Thread Joseph Seddon
As someone who supports community central notice campaigns, I must point out that this list is not the appropriate venue for any discussion that aims to arrive at any decision relating to such a banner campaign and any thread here would in no way directly result in such action. There are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-06 Thread James Salsman
On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Bill Takatoshi wrote: > >... I am sending these links without James's commentary The part that was deleted from what I had asked to be forwarded basically said this: Some of the most senior and respected Foundation leaders have

[Wikimedia-l] banner proposals

2017-02-05 Thread Bill Takatoshi
In the past two days I've been four off-list messages in response to my request for proposed banner language, all but one from James Salsman, who I recently defended here and who was subsequently "placed on moderation." I asked moderator Richard Ames whether it would be appropriate to forward his