Re: [Wikimedia-l] how global.js works? (was: Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you)
Hoi, The big question is not so much where and when things happen, the big question is who supports all the muck. There have been enough instances where changes to for instance common.js brought down servers. This is not a zero sum game. It is not as if there are no consequences. I am certain that the community will not be happy when Wikipedia goes black for them or because of them. So when the totality goes down, who to blame and who is to fix it .. the community?? Will it blame itself or will it shrug it off like always? Or will it blame the WMF because it feels entitled?? Thanks, GerardM On 14 August 2014 00:54, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, at 07:32, Erik Moeller wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: In favor of the Media Viewer software is a bunch of inquiry and analysis Restoring the default state of the software to the state that worked for the last decade is a clear precondition for healthier discussion of a positive path forward. Dear Pete, [...] If we're being honest, at the end of the day, a lot of this is about establishing clear governing principles for the MediaWiki: namespace. This is indeed true. Why does a global.js or whatever edit override user preference in the first place? I would expect user preferences to run after global.js, and set the onClick event back to what it should be (such as, something meaningful where a user has MV enabled). svetlana ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] how global.js works? (was: Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you)
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, The big question is not so much where and when things happen, the big question is who supports all the muck. There have been enough instances where changes to for instance common.js brought down servers. Out of interest, when was the last time that a common.js change brought down the servers? -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] how global.js works? (was: Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you)
Ah, I believe when the Italian (?) Wikipedia started using my JS-based also-search-on-wikidata tool. A dependency JS file was hosted on Tools Labs, effectively DDOSing it to a halt. Moved file to en.wp, cache can handle it easily now. So, not technically a Wikipedia server, but a Wikimedia server with lots'o'tools got unresponsive for a while. Last one I can think of. Cheers, Magnus On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 7:55 AM, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, The big question is not so much where and when things happen, the big question is who supports all the muck. There have been enough instances where changes to for instance common.js brought down servers. Out of interest, when was the last time that a common.js change brought down the servers? -- John Vandenberg ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] how global.js works? (was: Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you)
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, at 07:32, Erik Moeller wrote: On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Pete Forsyth petefors...@gmail.com wrote: In favor of the Media Viewer software is a bunch of inquiry and analysis Restoring the default state of the software to the state that worked for the last decade is a clear precondition for healthier discussion of a positive path forward. Dear Pete, [...] If we're being honest, at the end of the day, a lot of this is about establishing clear governing principles for the MediaWiki: namespace. This is indeed true. Why does a global.js or whatever edit override user preference in the first place? I would expect user preferences to run after global.js, and set the onClick event back to what it should be (such as, something meaningful where a user has MV enabled). svetlana ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
