Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage launch: why no blog post or pressrelease?

2013-01-15 Thread Peter Southwood
There are two immediately obvious possibilities for this. 1GMT/Universal time, which would be relatively unsurprising to most, as it is traditionally the zero offset timezone. 2+12 so that New Zealand and other extreme east timezone users would see something when the time arrives. A

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours

2013-01-26 Thread Peter Southwood
The English have been known to be at home for similar purposes. - Original Message - From: Rui Correia correia@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hours That makes more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia (Foundation) endowment

2013-03-14 Thread Peter Southwood
Parallel to that question, is what happens to the endowment if the WMF is wound up. This would be of some interest to possible donors. In principle I am in favour of an endowment. Cheers, Peter - Original Message - From: phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight

2013-03-24 Thread Peter Southwood
Is there a policy that requires that he do so? - Original Message - From: Risker risker...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight On 23

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour inside out (program evaluation)

2013-03-24 Thread Peter Southwood
Make interesting mistakes. - Original Message - From: Everton Zanella Alvarenga t...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: gyo...@wikimedia.org; Nitika Tandon nit...@cis-india.org Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Ellie Young as Conference Coordinator

2013-03-30 Thread Peter Southwood
Quite agree about the lack of benefits for most of the population. The Cape Town stadium is now a large burden on the ratepayers as they built it in one of the most inappropriate places for functionality. It is now a virtually unused and unusable monument to corruption, greed and stupidity, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adopt a page

2013-03-30 Thread Peter Southwood
Why would anyone want to sponsor a page? What would they get out of it? Cheers, Peter - Original Message - From: Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com To: cfrank...@halonetwork.net; Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 11:46 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adopt a page

2013-03-30 Thread Peter Southwood
How would sponsorship money for a page be spent to make the sponsorship meaningful? Cheers, Peter - Original Message - From: Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 9:51 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of aWikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Peter Southwood
Well that's one way of drawing attention to the site... - Original Message - From: Tomasz W. Kozłowski odder.w...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 7:41 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

2013-04-05 Thread Peter Southwood
Quite so, any information that can not be referenced can be challenged and deleted in the usual way - without attracting much attention, and entirely within the accepted procedures of Wikipedia. - Original Message - From: Alex Peek alexpe...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-13 Thread Peter Southwood
Lets get a few things in perspective: 1. How many community members were abusive/unreasonable/whatever beyond what might be considered a startle reaction to an apparent attack without warning? 2 How many people constitute this community Divide answer 1 by answer 2 Consider how much of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-13 Thread Peter Southwood
You realise that this is going to continue until an actual explanation of the desysopping comes out? Some of us are waiting for the reasons before posting opinions. The weekend is now over and maybe now some reasons can emerge. Cheers, Peter - Original Message - From: James Alexander

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-13 Thread Peter Southwood
, 2013 at 12:00 AM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: Lets get a few things in perspective: 1. How many community members were abusive/unreasonable/whatever beyond what might be considered a startle reaction to an apparent attack without warning? 2 How many people constitute

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Protecting the Encylopedia vs Destroying a human

2013-05-30 Thread Peter Southwood
Some of this e-mail is incomprehensible to me, so I am unable to form a valid opinion. This may also apply to other readers. Cheers, Peter - Original Message - From: Eddy Paine bloggin...@outlook.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:22 PM Subject:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

2013-06-01 Thread Peter Southwood
Has anyone done a search on other logos with similar characteristics, to see how much they differ? I think the WTO is taking a chance with this. Which specific aspects do they object to? Peter Southwood. - Original Message - From: Maggie Dennis mden...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

2013-06-01 Thread Peter Southwood
I would still like an answer to my questions Cheers, Peter Southwood - Original Message - From: Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

2013-06-01 Thread Peter Southwood
So we stand up to small bullies, by not to big ones. Nice to know where the line is drawn when it comes to principles. Cheers, Peter - Original Message - From: Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, June 01,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

2013-06-02 Thread Peter Southwood
: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo On 2 June 2013 06:43, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: So we stand up to small bullies, by not to big ones. Nice to know where the line is drawn when it comes to principles. The principle being applied here is, I think, do the right thing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

2013-06-03 Thread Peter Southwood
, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Peter Southwood, 02/06/2013 07:43: So we stand up to small bullies, by not to big ones. Nice to know where the line is drawn when it comes to principles. Why would you want to share visual identity with a bully? Nemo Ha! +1 :) And also what Denny

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikivoyage logo

2013-06-03 Thread Peter Southwood
not been answered. Instead the query has been brushed under the carpet and a pointless quibbling has ensued. I give up in frustration. Asking a simple question on this list appears to be a complete wate of effort. Peter Southwood - Original Message - From: Ziko van Dijk vand

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

2013-06-11 Thread Peter Southwood
Would they be considered a reliable source? Peter - Original Message - From: Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM We'd should ask the NSA if they'd like

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with supportof bots)

2013-06-17 Thread Peter Southwood
I agree that the 100th article is much better than no article on the subject, and I too joined the project with no previous training - Original Message - From: Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, June

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with supportof bots)

2013-06-18 Thread Peter Southwood
That would be very interesting and useful information Cheers, Peter (User:Pbsouthwood) - Original Message - From: David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] If you are passionate about world hunger, sustainability and global issues please read this

2013-06-19 Thread Peter Southwood
There are other types of periodicity besides those of chemical characteristics, Nevertheless it is not clear what periodicity might be displayed by economic data, except possibly in share prices etc, but those do not appear to be relevant to the subject. Cheers, Peter - Original Message

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images

2013-07-14 Thread Peter Southwood
Small teacup - big storm Totally inoffensive. Peter - Original Message - From: Lucas Teles salvadore...@hotmail.com To: Lista da Wikimedia wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 1:44 AM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Staff Images Is that [1] the photo? I was expecting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: change in article edits after visual editor roll-out (was Re: Feedback for the Wikimedia Foundation)

2013-07-23 Thread Peter Southwood
Say again? Peter - Original Message - From: Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: change in article edits after visual editor roll-out (was Re: Feedback for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Communication plans for community engagement

2013-07-23 Thread Peter Southwood
How do you propose to get people to actally read the notices? Peter - Original Message - From: Nathan nawr...@gmail.com To: cfrank...@halonetwork.net; Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:32 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Communication plans

Re: [Wikimedia-l] On the gentrification of Wikipedia, by Superbass (was: Visual Editor)

2013-07-30 Thread Peter Southwood
Beside being way more effort than it is worth, what is particularly Lovecraftian about that? Cheers, Peter - Original Message - From: Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:39 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's have the courage to sit down and talk aboutVisualEditor

2013-07-31 Thread Peter Southwood
You could start by making the edit links permanently visible and clearly labeled. The mouse-over thing is really annoying, as I click on the wrong link often and the delay getting back to where I wanted to be is frustrating. Display them as differently coloured buttons. [Wikitext editor] and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's have the courage to sit down and talkaboutVisualEditor

2013-07-31 Thread Peter Southwood
to sit down and talkaboutVisualEditor On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:51 PM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: You could start by making the edit links permanently visible and clearly labeled. Yeah, I've already requested this, since it seems like an easy win. The mouseover behavior

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's have the courage to sit down and talk aboutVisualEditor

2013-07-31 Thread Peter Southwood
It is a fair question. Peter - Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's have the courage to sit down and talk aboutVisualEditor On 31

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's have the courage to sit down and talk aboutVisualEditor

2013-07-31 Thread Peter Southwood
It is not so much the presence of the button, that I ,and preumably some others, object to, as that if you switch from one wiki to another a lot, which I do, you tend to click on the wrong link a lot of the time, and that wastes time for absolutely no useful purpose whatsoever. The links should

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA

2013-08-01 Thread Peter Southwood
No, but presenting an appearance of surprise is a bit disingenuous. P - Original Message - From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA On 31 July 2013 21:47,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA

2013-08-01 Thread Peter Southwood
And non-western countries probably go further if their technological capacity allows it. If you are not being spied on by somebody it is because no-one could be bothered or they havent got around to it yet, not because any law protects your privacy. P - Original Message - From: Nathan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA

2013-08-01 Thread Peter Southwood
Does the law actually require them to lie about data demands when questioned? P - Original Message - From: Nathan nawr...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA On Wed, Jul 31, 2013

Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA

2013-08-01 Thread Peter Southwood
Thanks, This answers my question. P - Original Message - From: Luis Villa lvi...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 2:13 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Michael Snow

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's have the courage to sit down and talk aboutVisualEditor

2013-08-01 Thread Peter Southwood
This may be a stupid question, but is it possible to put a label into a complicated template which will simply prevent VE from trying to edit it? P - Original Message - From: Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why the WP will never be a real encyclopaedia

2013-08-02 Thread Peter Southwood
Rui, His point is valid. You have a valid point but use an invalid argument to support it. Cheers, Peter - Original Message - From: Rui Correia correia@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 11:19 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why the WP will never be a real encyclopaedia

2013-08-02 Thread Peter Southwood
Journalist = professional troll Explains but does not justify. Peter - Original Message - From: Rui Correia correia@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why the WP will never be a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

2013-08-03 Thread Peter Southwood
Bear in mind that no matter how slowly and carefull it is done, the will still be users who will claim to be surprised when it happens, and blame WMF for not informing them, unless each one who will be affected is required to acknowledge receipt of a message explaining unambiguously what will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visual Editor temporary opt-out

2013-08-06 Thread Peter Southwood
Do you have data to back up your claims? Peter - Original Message - From: Kevin Wayne Williams kwwilli...@kwwilliams.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visual Editor temporary opt-out Op

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visual Editor temporary opt-out

2013-08-06 Thread Peter Southwood
OK as long the site survives the disruption? Even if it can be shown that development knew that was the case prior to deployment, and chose to deploy it anyway? KWW Op 2013/08/06 10:54, Peter Southwood schreef: Evidence that most long term editors are frothing at the mouth would be a good start

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visual Editor temporary opt-out

2013-08-07 Thread Peter Southwood
opt-out Op 2013/08/06 13:05, Peter Southwood schreef: This is Wikipedia, there are always a small number who make a lot of noise. I think that's part of the problem: any change hits a nerve *somewhere*, so even when it's a real problem, observers are likely to dismiss it as being just more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Visual Editor temporary opt-out

2013-08-07 Thread Peter Southwood
by which the complainants have to fix the problem to the satisfaction of their strongest opposition. On Aug 6, 2013 1:04 PM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: To me it looks like a fairly small number of editors are making a fairly large amount of noise, A very small number making

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

2013-09-05 Thread Peter Southwood
. When the unnecessary unpleasantness is dealt out by adminitrators, people leave. When enough people leave, the progect stagnates and eventually collapses. Fortunately it is likely that the pieces will be picked up by another project, so the work will not be lost. Cheers, Peter Southwood

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Radiological images

2013-09-18 Thread Peter Southwood
Someone else's problem - therefore not a problem? I also think that deleting useful images just because it is possible to imagine a dispute without any evidence that such a dispute has ever occurred goes against the concept of freedom of information I call on the WMF to take this matter very

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Radiological images

2013-09-18 Thread Peter Southwood
Not really, the speed of light varies considerably in materials with different refractive indices, which is about as relevant as the original statement. Cheers, Peter - Original Message - From: Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Kumusha Takes Wiki

2013-10-02 Thread Peter Southwood
Hi Florence, How much of the information is likely to be usable in Wikipedia? Will there be any requirement for reliable references, NPOV and NOR? Will photo-uploads go to commons? Regards, Peter Southwood - Original Message - From: Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com To: wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Kumusha Takes Wiki

2013-10-02 Thread Peter Southwood
if they prefer to keep totally empty articles such as now, or if they can tolerate a number of inhabitants with no source. Best Flo On 10/2/13 4:23 PM, Peter Southwood wrote: Hi Florence, How much of the information is likely to be usable in Wikipedia? Will there be any requirement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Kumusha Takes Wiki

2013-10-02 Thread Peter Southwood
available. I have a French friend for example, who is a geologist and living in a nearby country, and propose those nature-related trecks. I think he could give me a feedback on such an idea. Flo On 10/2/13 5:48 PM, Peter Southwood wrote: Hi Florence, No problems with OR for Wikivoyage, which

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Carbon footprints on Wikipedia.

2013-10-09 Thread Peter Southwood
Hi Geoff, You want it, go ahead and do it. That is how it works. Cheers, Peter Southwood PS. What is the point you wish to make by saying you make a monthly contribution to WMF? - Original Message - From: Geoff Beacon geoffbea...@sent.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Copyright infringement - The real elephant in theroom

2013-11-22 Thread Peter Southwood
Remember that is always the other person who is wrong headed and obsessed... Cheeers, Peter - Original Message - From: The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done

2014-03-09 Thread Peter Southwood
Makes sense to me too. Peter - Original Message - From: James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] the big red notice on the top of http://strategy.wikimedia.org - done

Re: [Wikimedia-l] draft revised volunteer community survey

2014-03-13 Thread Peter Southwood
I took a look at the survey and it is seriously unclear. Is there supposed to be an explanation which explains what it all means before filling in? Cheers, Peter - Original Message - From: James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Peter Southwood
Good points. Peter - Original Message - From: Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53,690 of WMF funding As far as I am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia paidvolunteers

2014-04-04 Thread Peter Southwood
Not a conscript ;-) - Original Message - From: Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia paidvolunteers Perhaps I'm just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimedia paidvolunteers

2014-04-05 Thread Peter Southwood
Will you be expecting every supporter of a political party, every member of a religious group, every national of a country, every supporter of a football team and so on ad nauseam... to declare COI when editing a related article? These groups are often more biased then grunt employees.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimediapaidvolunteers

2014-04-05 Thread Peter Southwood
OK, Cheers, Peter - Original Message - From: Fæ fae...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal: Transparency for Wikimediapaidvolunteers On 5 April 2014 08:09, Peter Southwood

Re: [Wikimedia-l] United Nation of Wikimedia

2014-04-07 Thread Peter Southwood
Why not? Peter - Original Message - From: Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 3:39 PM Subject: [Wikimedia-l] United Nation of Wikimedia Hello dear all, From 2008 on until recently the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Peter Southwood
Preferable for the affiliation to be a variable linked to the username. It can then be changed if/when applicable. Is should be possible to link a string of affiliations to a username. User should be able to add affiliations at will but probably should have to request to have them removed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username

2014-04-21 Thread Peter Southwood
21, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: Preferable for the affiliation to be a variable linked to the username. It can then be changed if/when applicable. Is should be possible to link a string of affiliations to a username. User should be able to add

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons' frontpage probably shouldn't prominently feature a decontextualised stack of corpses.

2014-05-12 Thread Peter Southwood
Go for it Kevin, That’s putting your money where your mouth is. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of David Gerard Sent: 11 May 2014 01:04 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to Criticize with Kindness

2014-05-15 Thread Peter Southwood
Tom, 1. You appear to be trying to convince the members of this list, and possibly later by extension, the members of the Wikimedia community, to communicate in a less stridently adversarial mode than is currently apparent. 2. I completely agree with all points expressed, and consider Dennett to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-06-01 Thread Peter Southwood
Phototypesetters were typically professionals, therefore not strictly comparable. There is a significant difference to learning a complex system because you are going to earn a living from it, and learning the same system so you can spend your free time doing unpaid work with it. Cheers, Peter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Increase participation [WAS: The first three weeks]

2014-06-01 Thread Peter Southwood
[WAS: The first three weeks] On 01/06/2014 12:00, Peter Southwood wrote: Phototypesetters were typically professionals, therefore not strictly comparable. There is a significant difference to learning a complex system because you are going to earn a living from it, and learning the same system so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethink of observability

2014-06-06 Thread Peter Southwood
You could start by listing the ad hoc methods. Others might add to the list. The list might inspire alternative ideas. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of C. Scott Ananian Sent: 06

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread Peter Southwood
This is a strong argument for locating Uncommons outside the USA. Somewhere where the copyright laws allow the widest range of images to be kept. Images can be tagged for where they are free and where they are not free. -Original Message- From:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-18 Thread Peter Southwood
Is it currently possible and acceptable to include an image from Flickr or equivalent in an article in any project? I don’t think I have ever seen/noticed this done. -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-27 Thread Peter Southwood
Indeed, and as there is a notice on the Wikilegal article stating that it is not legal advice, it can and will be ignored by those who think they know better. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-07-03 Thread Peter Southwood
Wonderful, I have high expectations of your ability and willingness to solve these problems, Please notify us of your success so we can celebrate. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons

2014-07-03 Thread Peter Southwood
To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: Wonderful, I have high expectations of your ability and willingness to solve these problems, Please notify us of your success so we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Do Over

2014-07-12 Thread Peter Southwood
Drama is a two way process. It requires response to a perceived provocation. You have just provided this response. With no response, no drama. At worst just a soliloquy in the background. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey

2014-07-16 Thread Peter Southwood
Link does not work. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Nicole Askin Sent: 16 July 2014 04:00 AM To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] AFD survey We are looking

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-11 Thread Peter Southwood
be a better description in many cases. Peter Southwood. -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of John Lewis Sent: 11 August 2014 01:05 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-12 Thread Peter Southwood
As one has been there, done that, I would like to point out that there is an order of magnitude difference between Internet Brands and WMF. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The reader, who doesn't exist

2014-08-21 Thread Peter Southwood
I find navboxes useful as an editor, and frequently use them to keep track of the related articles I edit. I would prefer to keep the functionality, but would not have a problem with it being opt-in. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] To Flow or not to Flow

2014-09-11 Thread Peter Southwood
Exactly what I was thinking. Doesn’t mean it would necessarily work, but you are not alone... Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Tim Davenport Sent: 10 September 2014 11:12 PM To:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lsjbot+Bot Acadeny

2014-09-17 Thread Peter Southwood
Impressive piece of work. I agree, it is a lot easier to expand on an article with a well formatted stub than to create a new one if you are not familiar with the process. I would like to see this procedure extended to other Wikipedias, including en: for classes of article for which there is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] First Wikipedia Article has been Formally Peer Reviewed and Published

2014-10-03 Thread Peter Southwood
Nice work, James Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of James Heilman Sent: 03 October 2014 01:24 AM To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] First Wikipedia Article

Re: [Wikimedia-l] First Wikipedia Article has been Formally Peer Reviewed and Published

2014-10-04 Thread Peter Southwood
Not really P -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Erlend Bjørtvedt Sent: 03 October 2014 09:57 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] First Wikipedia Article has been Formally Peer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board of Trustee elections

2014-10-06 Thread Peter Southwood
If there was an option to indicate that the user was willing to vote but did not know any of the candidates well enough to have an opinion on their suitability for the positions you might find that this is often the case. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraiser] fundraising blocked in Russia

2014-11-13 Thread Peter Southwood
Are you accepting donations from Russia at present? Peter Southwood -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Gruwell Sent: 13 November 2014 05:46 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all

2014-11-26 Thread Peter Southwood
It's an encyclopaedia, the cheeses don’t have to be superior. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Andy Mabbett Sent: 26 November 2014 07:56 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all

2014-12-01 Thread Peter Southwood
For CNIEL it is free publicity. Putting in for them trivial amount ensures that it happens. No-brainer. Nothing wrong with accepting their money as everyone gains from the deal. Win- win-win situation. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Our final email

2014-12-18 Thread Peter Southwood
These objectionable items are all standard advertising practice. No-one should be surprised. They work because they are targeted at an audience that expects this kind of crap and responds to it like Pavlovs dogs. If the fundraising team went to marketing school this is probably how they were

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Our final email

2014-12-19 Thread Peter Southwood
Are you by any chance American? Cheers, peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Chris Keating Sent: 19 December 2014 01:47 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Our final

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Our final email

2014-12-19 Thread Peter Southwood
List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Our final email Everyone who speaks English is American, particularly the English. On 19 December 2014 at 12:21, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: Are you by any chance American? Cheers, peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Our final email

2014-12-19 Thread Peter Southwood
OK, I was just wondering if acceptance of this form of marketing was an American thing or more generally an English language thing. Obviously not universally acceptable to English speakers, even in USA and England, but possibly more offensive to people with other cultural backgrounds. Cheers,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Our final email

2014-12-19 Thread Peter Southwood
] Fwd: Our final email Are you American? On 19 Dec 2014 12:35, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: I can only assume this is intended as some form of humour, but I don’t get it. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

2015-01-05 Thread Peter Southwood
Did you not see the bit about experimental? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Bjoern Hoehrmann Sent: 06 January 2015 05:48 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap

2015-01-10 Thread Peter Southwood
Irony? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Tim Davenport Sent: 10 January 2015 10:47 PM To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread Peter Southwood
Did someone suggest that men should reduce editing or participation? I missed that. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of FRED BAUDER Sent: 08 January 2015 02:10 PM To: Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread Peter Southwood
How is it possible to give a realistic answer to that question? Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Risker Sent: 08 January 2015 02:42 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap

2015-01-08 Thread Peter Southwood
I was actually wondering if Matt had much experience of the often discussed toxic environment reported for some of the Wikipedias, and cited as a reason for low female participation. Perhaps I should have asked more directly. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread Peter Southwood
If you take it entirely at face value, I find it quite inoffensive. As I have no experience with reviewing grant proposals, I can't comment on its accuracy, but I am quite happy to take Fred's word for it. Offence is often available if you search for it hard enough. Cheers, Peter -Original

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015-01-08 Thread Peter Southwood
*every single* grant this time (as they did in the pilot round of IEGs), is incredibly tiresome. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:30 AM, Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote: If you take it entirely at face value, I find it quite inoffensive. As I have no experience with reviewing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources possible conflict of interests

2015-03-21 Thread Peter Southwood
to publications that establish his association with the publisher. Regards, Rui 2015-03-21 17:01 GMT+02:00 Peter Southwood peter.southw...@telkomsa.net: Rui, I think this is a Wikipedia policy issue, and the policy may differ depending on which Wikipedia is involved. In the case of en: I speak under

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Adding your own works as sources possible conflict of interests

2015-03-21 Thread Peter Southwood
Rui, I think this is a Wikipedia policy issue, and the policy may differ depending on which Wikipedia is involved. In the case of en: I speak under correction, but as far as I remember this would be considered a conflict of interests. I don’t know what you consider overwhelming proof of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 11, Issue 16 -- 22 April 2015

2015-04-24 Thread Peter Southwood
For several weeks the link to the single page view has been broken. Please fix. Cheers, P -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Wikipedia Signpost Sent: 24 April 2015 12:43 AM To: wikimediaannounce-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 11, Issue 13 -- 01 April 2015

2015-04-04 Thread Peter Southwood
Broken link to single page view Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Wikipedia Signpost Sent: 03 April 2015 06:42 AM To: wikimediaannounce-l Subject: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia

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