Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-19 Thread David Goodman
kimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of David Goodman > Sent: 12 March 2019 07:15 > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers? > > "with popular topics cannibalizing resources." > > What

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I read the blogpost and it utterly misses the point. The point is that this is NOT about English Wikipedia, for them another approach will work better. At the same time when you read my blogpost, you will find that the elephant in the room is that we consider articles to be synonymous with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-18 Thread Ed Erhart
Hey folks, Trey authored a Wikimedia blog post on this as well: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/12/12/failed-queries-fear-of-missing-out/ --Ed On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 11:34 AM Dan Garry (Deskana) wrote: > The topic of zero-result search queries comes up from time to time. The > logic is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-16 Thread Benjamin Ikuta
I also don't see why it would be such a problem to have more articles about Pokemon. Volunteer effort is certainly not zero sum. Contributing to one area doesn't necessarily mean contributing less to another. Speaking from personal experience now, one of my earliest Wikipedia edits was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-16 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I have written another blogpost [1] where I express a different approach to our data. It achieves two things - an understanding what subjects not articles are most popular in Wikipedia - a tool that identifies what subjects we are looking for as missing in any Wikipedia the tool

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-13 Thread Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
I think, Benjamin, that sometimes some users don't get the experience of other people. I met so many smart men and women with very trivial hobbies that the idea of such separation sounds simply wrong or odd. I have never edited on "pop" topic on purpose, I have no interest for cartoons or TV

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-13 Thread Benjamin Ikuta
I, for one, would indeed go so far as to say we should be doing editatons about Naruto and Pokemon. On Mar 12, 2019, at 10:10 AM, Paulo Santos Perneta wrote: > I would not go as far as saying we should be doing edithatons about Naruto > and Pokemons,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread Leila Zia
Hi Gerard, On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 2:26 PM Gerard Meijssen wrote: > but really > why can we not have the data that allows us to seek out what people are > actually looking for and do not find.. Please open a Phabricator task for this request at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org . Please add

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread Leila Zia
Ciao Ilario, On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 12:16 PM Ilario valdelli wrote: > > Any study is interesting, but if it could be country-based, it would be > better. We agree with you that the country component is quite important. There is some ongoing engineering work to make the feature available in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Vito, I believe it depends on the way it is done. An edithaton on rappers & pop stars with high-school students could be a great way to get them into the project in a fun way. Then as they keep developing and diversifying their interests, as generally happens with growing kids, they have a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi, I absolutely agree with the idea of finding some way to know what is more popular / wanted by readers. And if we identify with it/want to invest some time in it / whatever, then we can have a good criteria to follow about what to create first, or invest more in. I have created myself a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread Vi to
Il giorno mar 12 mar 2019 alle ore 06:16 David Goodman ha scritto: > "with popular topics cannibalizing resources." > > What resources can be cannibalized? The limiting resource in WP is > interested people writing, improving, and validating articles. People > choose their own topics. This

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread Benjamin Ikuta
I agree, we should not be deleting useful articles. https://www.gwern.net/In-Defense-Of-Inclusionism On Mar 11, 2019, at 4:52 AM, Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l wrote: > I know people in many fields with great technical expertise. people who > published articles on Science and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The point is EXACTLY that this list will be different per language. What there is, what is needed differs as a consequence. What specific Wikipedias covers is as different. There are multiple objectives to be gained: - as we gain more articles, we will gain a bigger presence for a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You will not see me write about subjects I do not care about. So the notion that anyone writing about subjects you care about is a fallacy. It takes horses for courses, you will write about what you care about and so will I. Others may look into what is missing and find that their subject

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread James Salsman
Bamyers99's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:POPULARLOWQUALITY weekly list linked from the Community Portal "Help out" section addresses the issue directly, thanks to ORES. It would be great if that were adopted by the Foundation for Wikipedias other than English. Also, the links from the numbers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-12 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, What is it that scares youi? When you want to write about the subject that you care about do. If it is popular good. That is all. What scares me is that people define what others want to / need to know. What is the propblem with providing what people are looking for? In the big Wikipedias

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Peter Southwood
...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of David Goodman Sent: 12 March 2019 07:15 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers? "with popular topics cannibalizing resources." What resources can be cannibalized? The limiting resource in WP is interes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread David Goodman
"with popular topics cannibalizing resources." What resources can be cannibalized? The limiting resource in WP is interested people writing, improving, and validating articles. People choose their own topics. This is different from an organization where staff can be directed to work on what

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread John Erling Blad
We should be using a grid for what people are reading about, instead of using countries. That will give a better representation of large countries vs small countries. It will also better reflect local ethnic groups. On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 1:53 PM Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > > ‫בתאריך יום א׳, 10

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Ilario valdelli
Hi Leila, I have put my own but the problem we have in Switzerland is connected to the multi-lingualism. Italian, for instance, which is one big language in WIkipedia, is at the opposite a minority in Switzerland. Any study is interesting, but if it could be country-based, it would be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
greatly affected by what other people choose to read? > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Vi to > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 11:07 AM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: R

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Peter Southwood
[mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Vi to Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 11:07 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers? That's an unstable process on a long-term, with popular topics cannibalizing resources. Top read articles are already about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Peter Southwood
is not. Cheers, Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:53 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers? I know people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Leila Zia
Hi all, This is a very interesting discussion. I'm going to fork this thread in the next 2 hours (unless one of you do this in the meantime) for us to continue the conversation around using search as a signal for improving Wikipedia in there. It would be best, for current and future readability,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Edward Saperia
We can consider this an opportunity, e.g. popular media often touches on diverse cultural and political themes, and international sports tournaments give people a reason to learn about different countries. If people find our project this way then so be it, we can just try and make sure those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
Reminding is easy, it's analyzing that it's complex. I suspect that editors and readers are probably a little bit smarter than generally assumed. It's quite "obvious" that editors understand what is an encyclopedia, after years. When I make an informal survey, statistically the "smarter"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‫בתאריך יום א׳, 10 במרץ 2019 ב-23:27 מאת ‪Gerard Meijssen‬‏ <‪ gerard.meijs...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬ > Hoi, > I have been thinking about it.. There is a place for research but really > why can we not have the data that allows us to seek out what people are > actually looking for and do not find.. Why

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‬ > The idea of a popularity-driven encyclopaedia scares  > > I agree, although I'd make it a bit more focused: an encyclopedia that is *only* popularity-driven is indeed scary. It's good to mention this, and not once, but repeatedly. However, providing Wikipedia editors with information about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
I know people in many fields with great technical expertise. people who published articles on Science and Nature basically, and in the end I think they are probably qualified to have an idea of what a good encyclopedia should be. The point is that these people open wiki for topics far away

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-11 Thread Vi to
That's an unstable process on a long-term, with popular topics cannibalizing resources. Top read articles are already about two or three sports, some TV series and three or four music topics. These are also the most popular topics among editors but if you'll start focusing energies on these

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-10 Thread David Goodman
The idea of an encyclopedia is to provide the information people need or want that's appropriate to the format. It would be useful to see what they want that is appropriate but we do not have -- and also useful to see what they look for that isn't appropriate for us. Within what's appropriate, I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-10 Thread Vi to
The idea of a popularity-driven encyclopaedia scares  Vito Il giorno dom 10 mar 2019 alle ore 22:26 Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > Hoi, > I have been thinking about it.. There is a place for research but really > why can we not have the data that allows us to seek

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How diverse are your readers?

2019-03-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I have been thinking about it.. There is a place for research but really why can we not have the data that allows us to seek out what people are actually looking for and do not find.. Why can we not promote what proves to be of interest [1] ? Thanks, GerardM [1]