Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Anthony, 17/06/2012 05:05: I still would have been confused. Still am, actually. Did this paragraph have a serious point at all? I hope so, because Wikipedia's porn problem is a serious issue. The point was, I think, that no software is perfect (not even parents' brain) and that parents

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 3:11 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Anthony, 17/06/2012 05:05: I still would have been confused.  Still am, actually.  Did this paragraph have a serious point at all?  I hope so, because Wikipedia's porn problem is a serious issue. The point was,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 June 2012 13:21, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: No software is perfect.  No solution is perfect.  But don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. You're assuming that a good exists for this function. This assumption is entirely unsubstantiated. - d.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 9:14 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2012 13:21, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: No software is perfect.  No solution is perfect.  But don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. You're assuming that a good exists for this function. This

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Andrew Gray
On 15 June 2012 13:21, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I don't recall seeing any, but did anyone actually explain why the market had not provided a filtering solution for Wikipedia, if there's actually a demand for one? I think we had this conversation almost a year ago ;-)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 June 2012 14:50, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: In short: the almost complete absence of anyone doing *anything* clever in terms of reusing and repurposing our content strongly suggests that there are practical barriers to doing so in general, rather than the flaws with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Andrew Gray
On 17 June 2012 14:53, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2012 14:50, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: In short: the almost complete absence of anyone doing *anything* clever in terms of reusing and repurposing our content strongly suggests that there are practical

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread David Gerard
On 17 June 2012 15:43, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: As there are no major and well-used forks at all, we can't reasonably draw inferences of the desirability of a specific project from its non-existence - we simply don't have the information to make that conclusion. This

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread geni
On 17 June 2012 14:14, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 June 2012 13:21, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: No software is perfect.  No solution is perfect.  But don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. You're assuming that a good exists for this function. This assumption

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 17.06.2012 17:16, schrieb Anthony: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: So I think my question - if this is so obviously the right thing, then where are the existing attempts? - still stands as relevant. The fact that it is the right thing isn't obvious,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Report, May 2012

2012-06-17 Thread ENWP Pine
Tilman, Thanks for the report. I would like to suggest that for the foreseeable future (not just for June), these monthly reports should include a fuller set of updates on the editor engagement and retention efforts. My understanding is that this is a high priority effort for WMF, it seems

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Andrew Gray, 17/06/2012 15:50: In short: the almost complete absence of anyone doing *anything* clever in terms of reusing and repurposing our content strongly suggests that there are practical barriers to doing so in general, rather than the flaws with any specific model of what it is they want

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Report, May 2012

2012-06-17 Thread Erik Zachte
It may well be that the trends are distorted due to major bug in wikistats. That bug has been isolated, but we need 7-10 days to regenerate all reports. See also http://infodisiac.com/blog/2012/06/wikistats-editor-counts-are-broken/ Sorry for the confusion and inconvenience. Erik Zachte

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 17.06.2012 21:41, schrieb Federico Leva (Nemo): Andrew Gray, 17/06/2012 15:50: In short: the almost complete absence of anyone doing *anything* clever in terms of reusing and repurposing our content strongly suggests that there are practical barriers to doing so in general, rather than the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: It didn't even need to be complete fork. A whitelist copy would most likely already be sufficient for your needs. It would automatically update any article on a white list after a quick review (like sighted

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Report, May 2012

2012-06-17 Thread ENWP Pine
Erik, Thanks for replying. Let me make sure that I understand. The graph at http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/new_editors isn’t affected by the bug, and we still believe that we have a declining number of new editors per month. However, the graphs for the number of active editors may be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-17 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 18.06.2012 00:40, schrieb Anthony: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: It didn't even need to be complete fork. A whitelist copy would most likely already be sufficient for your needs. It would automatically update any article on a white