Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Tom Morris
On Monday, 18 June 2012 at 02:44, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: Every stupid bot could do this. There is no running out of the box solution at the moment, but the effort to set up something like this would be minimal compared to anything else. I would say that Citizendium failed because they did

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 June 2012 08:00, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: {{sofixit}} If all the people in favour of filters had spent their time building them rather than arguing about them, we would have had a wide array of different solutions, without any politics or drama. The problem there is the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 18.06.2012 09:21, schrieb David Gerard: On 18 June 2012 08:00, Tom Morrist...@tommorris.org wrote: {{sofixit}} If all the people in favour of filters had spent their time building them rather than arguing about them, we would have had a wide array of different solutions, without any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Thomas Morton
On 18 June 2012 12:39, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2012 12:29, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: I guess Tom misunderstood my comment. I wrote down a simple plan how an external solution could work and how to minimize the effort to maintain it.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread David Gerard
On 18 June 2012 12:41, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 18 June 2012 12:39, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The Board acted according to the Harris report, which just said to do it on the site itself:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Thomas Morton
On 18 June 2012 12:42, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 June 2012 12:41, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 18 June 2012 12:39, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The Board acted according to the Harris report, which just said to do it on the site itself:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 18.06.2012 13:52, schrieb Thomas Morton: On 18 June 2012 08:00, Tom Morrist...@tommorris.org wrote: On Monday, 18 June 2012 at 02:44, Tobias Oelgarte wrote: Every stupid bot could do this. There is no running out of the box solution at the moment, but the effort to set up something like

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Thomas Morton
It is not convincing since it interferes with the work of our editors that aren't interested in such a feature. Seems unlikely. Although please feel to expand on this with specifics. If we tag images inside the project itself then we impose our judgment onto it, while ignoring or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 18.06.2012 15:06, schrieb Thomas Morton: It is not convincing since it interferes with the work of our editors that aren't interested in such a feature. Seems unlikely. Although please feel to expand on this with specifics. Any tagging by non neutral definitions would interfere with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Thomas Morton
On 18 June 2012 15:16, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.comwrote: Am 18.06.2012 15:06, schrieb Thomas Morton: It is not convincing since it interferes with the work of our editors that aren't interested in such a feature. Seems unlikely. Although please feel to expand on this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread James Salsman
If all the people in favour of filters had spent their time building them rather than arguing about them, we would have had a wide array of different solutions, without any politics or drama. That said, if people want to filter Wikipedia, a client-side solution rather than a filtered mirror

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [cc-community] CC 4.0 and the GNU GPL

2012-06-18 Thread Kat Walsh
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Forwarding this from the CC-licenses list.  The WMF should explore what impact, if any, one-way CC-BY-SA to GPL compatibility would have on WMF projects.  Is anyone at the WMF talking to CC/FSF about this? I've been paying

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update on IPv6

2012-06-18 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Nathan, 13/06/2012 20:37: In my view, no. I think we need to balance the risk argument for anonymity (dissidents, whistleblowers, people editing topics they wouldn't want to be publicly associated with, etc.) with the benefits of partial anonymity. Among these benefits I'd cite the many news

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Office hour: Wikipedia Education Program

2012-06-18 Thread Rob Schnautz
Just a reminder about the office hours coming up on Thursday this week. The topic for this session has been expanded to include all Foundation-run Wikipedia Education Program initiatives, which take place in the U.S., Canada, Brazil, Egypt, and India. Like all IRC office hours, the format will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 18.06.2012 14:49, schrieb Anthony: Have you ever tried to do this?  It's not as easy as you are making it sound, at least it wasn't as of a few years ago, because Mediawiki is tightly coupled to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 19.06.2012 01:39, schrieb Anthony: On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 18.06.2012 14:49, schrieb Anthony: Have you ever tried to do this? It's not as easy as you are making it sound, at least it wasn't as of a few years ago, because

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who invoked principle of least surprise for the image filter?

2012-06-18 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 18.06.2012 14:49, schrieb Anthony: And considering the heavy use of templates which are Wikipedia-specific, presumably you're going to allow for *some* hand-editing. That would be something else than i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Foundation-l] Still wikipediocentric

2012-06-18 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
A belated reply... Some new recent developments: A labs environment was set up: http://en.wikisource.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page In the San Francisco hackathon work was done on this: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Hackathon_January_2012/ProofRead I plan to work on it more in