[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 26 -- 25 June 2012

2012-06-26 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
Op-ed: A call for editorial input in developing new Creative Commons licensing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-06-25/Op-ed News and notes: Mystical Picture of the Year; run-up to Wikimania DC; RfA reform 2012

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours The future of e-mail usage in Wikimedia projects 2012-07-18 16:30 UTC

2012-06-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
2012/6/26 Risker risker...@gmail.com: On 25 June 2012 13:56, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me. Just about a month ago, we had a discussion about spreading out the times during which office hours would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Ziko, it does not jeopardize the Wikidata goal -- the current language link system won't be switched off, but can be further used. Everything that is working currently will still be possible afterwards. Wikidata can still be used to represent the 99.2% of language links that are simple -- this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
Amir, thank you for the thoughtful reply! Indeed our current plan is a kind of a staged deployment in the sense that we will not automatically transfer the links but let the editor community do it. On our test systems we already see bots being tried out and rewritten, so we expect that as soon

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
This number, 99.2% was also mentioned on the Berlin Hackathon. It sounds much higher than what my (very scientifically relevant, obviously) gut feeling tells me. Could you indicate where this number is coming from? On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
I got the number from Brent Hecht, a researcher at Northwestern, who has a number of great papers published on Wikipedia-related topics. CC-ing him, so he knows I am blam.., er, referencing him :) Cheers, Denny 2012/6/26 Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com: This number, 99.2% was also

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours The future of e-mail usage in Wikimedia projects 2012-07-18 16:30 UTC

2012-06-26 Thread Risker
On 26 June 2012 07:47, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: 2012/6/26 Risker risker...@gmail.com: On 25 June 2012 13:56, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me. Just about a month ago, we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Deryck Chan
One major problem with double language links I've encountered before was that they confuse interwiki bots and therefore break things. Several articles on the Cantonese Wikipedia (zh-yue.wp) pertaining to local political and cultural issues in the Cantonese-speaking world have __NOBOT__ on them

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 26/06/2012 2:02 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been forced to censor a number of pages due to advertiser pressure. And thus is the wisdom of eschewing advertizement and sponsorship highlighted for all too see. I've always

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread geni
On 26 June 2012 19:02, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: In the mean time, the discussed tropes *do* exist in our culture and in our movies. It somehow feels soviet. :-/ A significant chunk of them would probably fail [[WP:V]]. Actually for the most part I just feel sorry for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 08:41:04PM +0100, geni wrote: On 26 June 2012 19:02, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: In the mean time, the discussed tropes *do* exist in our culture and in our movies. It somehow feels soviet. :-/ A significant chunk of them would probably fail

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 26/06/2012 2:02 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: Wow, thank goodness we never had advertising. The TV-Tropes wiki has been forced to censor a number of pages due to advertiser pressure. And thus is the wisdom of eschewing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 09:07:02PM +0100, Andreas Kolbe wrote: I've always been against ads, but as far as I am concerned, the illusion of an NPOV project ended with the SOPA strike, and Jimbo's current exploits around O'Dwyer (who I agree should not be extradited, but doh, that is not the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: Besides, the ones putting pressure on TV Tropes, and who made them take the pages down, are Google. That is the same Google who are a major financial contributor to Wikimedia. True. But if Google told WMF Change

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Report, May 2012

2012-06-26 Thread ENWP Pine
Maryana, thank you. For anyone else who's following this, my understanding that the wikistats fixes are complete, including http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors_target and http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/active_editors. Pine

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: I've never understood why that was considered non-neutral. WMF, as an entity, can have viewpoints, especially as relates to the organization itself. The WMF, for example, is not neutral on the question of whether or not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Todd Allen toddmal...@gmail.com wrote: I've never understood why that was considered non-neutral. WMF, as an entity, can have viewpoints, especially as relates to the organization itself. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Nathan wrote: It's simple. The WMF didn't do anything. The English Wikipedia did. That project effectively changed the content of the entire encyclopedia for political reasons. That is the condicio sine qua non for abandoning neutrality. You might say it was done for great reasons, and that it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net wrote: * Nathan wrote: It's simple. The WMF didn't do anything. The English Wikipedia did. That project effectively changed the content of the entire encyclopedia for political reasons. That is the condicio sine qua non for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Language links and double language links on the Wikipedias

2012-06-26 Thread Brent Hecht
Hi All, Brent Hecht here :-) This has been a really interesting discussion, and I wanted to chime in with a few notes. The 99.2% is based on a quick script I wrote that looked at reciprocity among a sample of interlanguage links (ILLs) in 25 languages to address some questions that Denny

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread MZMcBride
Kim Bruning wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 09:07:02PM +0100, Andreas Kolbe wrote: I've always been against ads, but as far as I am concerned, the illusion of an NPOV project ended with the SOPA strike, and Jimbo's current exploits around O'Dwyer (who I agree should not be extradited, but doh,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: The SOPA strike was necessary for us to retain neutrality. Figuratively speaking, or do you think it actually made a whit of difference? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread Theo10011
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: I was actually thinking of the board, or just Jimbo himself, rather than any wider group of luminaries (or actual Wikipedia editors). If Google wanted something, I am sure they would speak in person to the people they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] TVTropes deletes all pages with Rape in title under advertising pressure.

2012-06-26 Thread geni
On 27 June 2012 05:15, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps so. :)) (But clearly, so have you.) The difference being that I've been following Wikipedia criticism for much longer to the point where I can just view it as a rather repetitive soap opera. I was actually thinking of the