Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.comwrote: What happens to the idea according to which the funds belong to the Wikimedia mouvement rather than to Wikimedia Foundation ? I think this exact point is often overlooked. I actually have a fairly trivial way to look

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

2013-04-30 Thread Marco Chiesa
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 4:29 AM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Unfortunately, some accounts are currently not unique across all our wikis, but instead clash with other users who have the same account name. To make sure that all of these users can use Wikimedia's wikis in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
hi Erlend, I want to shortly comment on your letter, which raises legitimate concerns, in my view, and I would like to address them. On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Erlend Bjørtvedt erl...@wikimedia.nowrote: However, the gap between the legitimate demands of a donation-backed funding

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The case for supporting open source machine translation

2013-04-30 Thread Chris Tophe
2013/4/29 Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org Le 2013-04-26 20:27, Milos Rancic a écrit : OmegaWiki is a masterpiece from the perspective of one [computational] linguist. Erik made the structure so well, that it's the best starting point to create a contemporary multilingual

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comments on compliance and the FDC Round 2 decisions

2013-04-30 Thread Craig Franklin
Thankyou Asaf, points 1.1 and 1.2 pretty much answered all my questions on this. If I might offer a humble suggestion though, might I suggest for the purposes of determining grant eligibility, rather than saying that it is Confirmed or Not Confirmed, a third status of Conditional Eligibility is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?

2013-04-30 Thread Ting Chen
Hello dear all, I would also like to ask everyone who has made their thoughts on the election to take part on the election committee themselves the next time. Unfortunately when I made the call for volunteer earlier this year not very many people responded. Greetings Ting Am 4/30/2013

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comments on compliance and the FDC Round 2 decisions

2013-04-30 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
Craig - this is a very good idea! best, dariusz (pundit) On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.netwrote: Thankyou Asaf, points 1.1 and 1.2 pretty much answered all my questions on this. If I might offer a humble suggestion though, might I suggest for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey Deryck, On Apr 29, 2013, at 10:25 PM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk wrote: But you say we … We refers to WMHK I assume, but did you do this after a discussion with the Grants Programme, or did you decide this on your own? I work for the non-profit sector, and there is not way

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comments on compliance and the FDC Round 2 decisions

2013-04-30 Thread K. Peachey
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: ... I would like to stress that this is not a minor point of slight tardiness or some missing receipt -- this is actual mismanagement of funds (though not necessarily mis-use of funds, and NO ONE IS SUGGESTING BAD FAITH

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

2013-04-30 Thread David Richfield
James answered this in his original email: It will now only be possible for accounts to be renamed globally; the RenameUser tool will no longer work on a local basis - since all accounts must be globally unique - therefore it will be withdrawn from bureaucrats' tool sets. It will still be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

2013-04-30 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
David Richfield, 30/04/2013 10:50: James answered this in his original email: No, that doesn't answer (see also talk page). Nemo It will now only be possible for accounts to be renamed globally; the RenameUser tool will no longer work on a local basis - since all accounts must be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

2013-04-30 Thread Benjamin Chen
On 30 Apr, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Will the affected users be given a one-time offer to have their accounts renamed, or are they stuck forever with the ~ ones? Rename is still possible, similar to what we have now, but just on a global level. So

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

2013-04-30 Thread K. Peachey
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Benjamin Chen bencmqw...@gmail.com wrote: ... One thing to note is the technical limitation on # of edits. If account has too many edits, he may not be able to get it renamed further. ... It just needs to be done server side, The same way it already is.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey Florence On Apr 30, 2013, at 1:12 AM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: Le 4/30/13 12:04 AM, Nathan a écrit : It's not logical to assume that because the WMF has funds it should in some way equitably distribute those funds around the world. What happens to the idea

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comments on compliance and the FDC Round 2 decisions

2013-04-30 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Just a couple personal points: Asaf Bartov, 30/04/2013 05:04: [...] 1.5. In summary, I must protest against the narrative of Deryck's letter, wherein WMHK's proposal was rejected by malevolent WMF staff with a secret anti-WMHK agenda [...] I didn't read anything like that in Deryck's letter.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?

2013-04-30 Thread Itzik Edri
Ting, Risker, 1. To share thoughts and feedback about the elections, you don't must to be volunteer in the committee. 2. I indeed thought about it only when I saw the centralnotice and read the voting requirement, I may needed to raise it before. But it's still doesn't mean we need to ignore

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comments on compliance and the FDC Round 2 decisions

2013-04-30 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
hi Federico, On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: 1.5. In summary, I must protest against the narrative of Deryck's letter, wherein WMHK's proposal was rejected by malevolent WMF staff with a secret anti-WMHK agenda [...] I didn't read anything

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?

2013-04-30 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Itzik yes, you are right. But, and this is a very big but. You organized Wikimania yourself, you know how much unseen and unthankable and unbelievable complicated and unnecessary work behind all the shiny things. The election committee is also a volunteer driven committee. It is a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?

2013-04-30 Thread Craig Franklin
Ting, I don't think that Itzik has said anywhere that the election committee is doing a bad job. I think he is simply saying that you shouldn't have to commit to having a meeting every week since February just to have an opinion on the topic that is taken seriously. Cheers, Craig Franklin On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?

2013-04-30 Thread Ting Chen
And to come back to the topic. At least in the theory, if someone is blocked in a project, than he has a serious problem with that community. And the reason that his block is not lifted should be a serious one. And if someone has a serious problem with more than one community, than it is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

2013-04-30 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Global renames will be done by Stewards then, yes? -Dan Dan Rosenthal On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:17 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Benjamin Chen bencmqw...@gmail.com wrote: ... One thing to note is the technical limitation on # of edits. If

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

2013-04-30 Thread Andrew Gray
On 30 April 2013 03:29, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote: Unfortunately, some accounts are currently not unique across all our wikis, but instead clash with other users who have the same account name. To make sure that all of these users can use Wikimedia's wikis in future, we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread Charles Andres
In Milan we discuss about Chapters peer review as a tools that the WMF could use in parallel if FDC assessment. But in light of the discussion about who should or not apply to the FDC, it seems that chapters peer review should be consider by chapter willing to apply to the FDC as a preliminary

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread Deryck Chan
On 30 April 2013 09:48, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote: Yes I read your reply, but you keep stating we want, that is not that same as together with the grant giver we agreed… I cannot overstate the importance of the difference between the two… People don't instantly agree

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread Patricio Lorente
2013/4/30 Charles Andres charles.andres.w...@gmail.com: In Milan we discuss about Chapters peer review as a tools that the WMF could use in parallel if FDC assessment. But in light of the discussion about who should or not apply to the FDC, it seems that chapters peer review should be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread Deryck Chan
On 30 April 2013 10:22, Jan-Bart de Vreede jdevre...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey Florence On Apr 30, 2013, at 1:12 AM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: Le 4/30/13 12:04 AM, Nathan a écrit : It's not logical to assume that because the WMF has funds it should in some way

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraising 2013] Wikimedia France stepping back from payment processing

2013-04-30 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Christophe, About this reconnaissance d'utilite publique or supercharity concept; is there a link to an analysis (preferable) or even just the text of the law/provision/regulation? Even one in French only would be OK, I'm just curious to know more about how it works in practice. -Dan Dan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comments on compliance and the FDC Round 2 decisions

2013-04-30 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2013/4/30 Dariusz Jemielniak dar...@alk.edu.pl: Many members of the community (as it was confirmed in the discussions on Milan conference) are e.g. uncertain about part-time employment possibilities through GAC, as well as about professionalization efforts being funded through GAC scheme

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comments on compliance and the FDC Round 2 decisions

2013-04-30 Thread Craig Franklin
I wonder if it will be accepted to apply to GAC for temporary position for the person responsible for preparation of FDC application :-) That's probably not as silly an idea as it sounds - having a local person on the ground with relevant expertise who can assist the chapter not just in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 30.04.2013 01:12, Florence Devouard wrote: Le 4/30/13 12:04 AM, Nathan a écrit : In the past years, we have seen several times organizers of Wikimania plain disappear after the event. Burn-out. I do not think it is a good outcome. For no-one. And I do not think it is a good idea to slap a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread Richard Symonds
I think, perhaps, that the reform of the Wikimania bidding process could use a new thread! Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?

2013-04-30 Thread Michael Peel
On 28 Apr 2013, at 21:25, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I'm ambivalent about whether it's appropriate to have staff members (those who don't independently qualify as community members) voting or not, but I think in principle Itzik has a very good point - either *both* WMF and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?

2013-04-30 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 30.04.2013 12:14, James Alexander wrote: Very side note: I'm not sure if you're talking in the past sense or not here but I did want to stick up for Wikiversity a bit here in the more presente tense. I don't think I've checked in the past couple weeks but I've trolled the recent changes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comments on compliance and the FDC Round 2 decisions

2013-04-30 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Dariusz Jemielniak, 30/04/2013 11:34: 1.5. In summary, I must protest against the narrative of Deryck's letter, wherein WMHK's proposal was rejected by malevolent WMF staff with a secret anti-WMHK agenda [...] I didn't read anything like that in Deryck's letter. well, I think that this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania

2013-04-30 Thread Katie Chan
On 30/04/2013 11:49, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: My personal experience after being an active program committee member on the 2010 Wikimania Organizing Committee was that my activity there (and I believe in the end of the day we did a good job - for example, we managed to accept all submissions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania

2013-04-30 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 30.04.2013 13:23, Katie Chan wrote: On 30/04/2013 11:49, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: My personal experience after being an active program committee member on the 2010 Wikimania Organizing Committee was that my activity there (and I believe in the end of the day we did a good job - for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comments on compliance and the FDC Round 2 decisions

2013-04-30 Thread Osmar Valdebenito
I think it is important to remember what is the main premise behind the FDC: give resources to established chapter in some sort of long term capacity. We are dealing with proposals of over 100k to more than 4m. I've heard several times about how hard is to apply for the FDC, how terrible it is...

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraising 2013] Wikimedia France stepping back from payment processing

2013-04-30 Thread Charles Andres
AFAIK , WMDE and WMCH are the last ones. I do not remember an announce about WMUK for the next fundraising. but I don't understand what's the link with the FDC. In general I would encourage to avoid to speak about paiement processing out of its specific context, that's mean fundraising

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Comments on compliance and the FDC Round 2 decisions

2013-04-30 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Moreover, it's well known that the FDC decisions are based also on context i.e. private information not part of the proposals or discussions thereof. It's normal for people outside WMF not to understand them fully,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan
I think Jan-Bart did point out an interesting point As I heard in Milan Long time staffing, must go trough FDC And we exactly know our weakness on transparency and management (I already tried hard to push my rest of team when I was on the chapter board But what do you expect if they have day time

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread Osmar Valdebenito
Probably a smoother transition would be much more appropiate. A part-time or temporary employee that can take care of the belated reports and paperwork that you, as volunteers, can't do and probably establish some basis for a future growth. WM-AR, WM-RS and WM-IL have professionalized in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
hi Jeromy-Yu, thank you for sharing this personal note. On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Jeromy-Yu Maximilian Chan jerry.tschan...@gmail.com wrote: As we aware of problem, we are run out of way to improve, it is bottleneck we need to tackle. So the FDC decision suggests chapter like us

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?

2013-04-30 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 29 April 2013 21:01, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: With 2 seats selected by the chapters and in future maybe the thorgs, and 3 by the editing community, and 1 by the staff, more than half of the board members would be not directly coopted. Many other varieties are possible,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?

2013-04-30 Thread Michael Peel
On 30 Apr 2013, at 14:30, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote: On 29 April 2013 21:01, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote: With 2 seats selected by the chapters and in future maybe the thorgs, and 3 by the editing community, and 1 by the staff, more than half of the

[Wikimedia-l] censorship in the german mailing list

2013-04-30 Thread Thomas Sieben
Dear Readers, the german mailing mist is suffering from censorship by one of the list of administrators: Kurt Jansson, Daniel Baur, Arne Klempert. I could not send several Mails to the list. This is very irritating because of the present discussion about corruption in the german chapter.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Glossary vs. Glossaries

2013-04-30 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hi, On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Guillaume Paumier gpaum...@wikimedia.org wrote: * Google custom search: Waldir recently used Google Custom Search to created a search tool to find technical information across many pages and sites where information is currently fragmented:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] censorship in the german mailing list

2013-04-30 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Complaining about blocks on mailing lists is rarely useful for anything but taking something out of your chest, I suggest you complain on Meta if you really need... oh wait, you're indef-blocked for harassment, too bad. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

2013-04-30 Thread James Forrester
On 30 April 2013 01:01, Marco Chiesa chiesa.ma...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 4:29 AM, James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Unfortunately, some accounts are currently not unique across all our wikis, but instead clash with other users who have the same account name. To

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board FDC elections?

2013-04-30 Thread Michael Snow
On 4/30/2013 3:54 AM, Michael Peel wrote: On 28 Apr 2013, at 21:25, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: I'm ambivalent about whether it's appropriate to have staff members (those who don't independently qualify as community members) voting or not, but I think in principle Itzik has a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

2013-04-30 Thread James Forrester
On 30 April 2013 02:56, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: Global renames will be done by Stewards then, yes? Yes. J. -- James D. Forrester Product Manager, VisualEditor Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Fundraising 2013] Wikimedia France stepping back from payment processing

2013-04-30 Thread Christophe Henner
Hey Dan, Sure : http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconnaissance_d'utilit%C3%A9_publique and http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/associations/F1131.xhtml In France all associations are, a priori, charities. The french fiscal services can withdraw that status for many reasons. One of them is if they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement partners

2013-04-30 Thread phoebe ayers
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Bishakha Datta bishakhada...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:33 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Here is a question that came up during today's US GLAM consortium meeting: what's the current status of the 'movement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement partners

2013-04-30 Thread Gregory Varnum
Phoebe, As Bishakha indicated, this is still actively being discussed amongst AffCom and WMF folks. Most of what's being discussed is based on on-wiki comments - but the actual conversations are happening via email (AffCom mailing list) and face-to-face conversations. My understanding is this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] censorship in the german mailing list

2013-04-30 Thread Thomas Sieben
Dear Readers, dear Nemo, in my last emails, which where objects to censorship, I did not complain about my indef-blockage by right wing student-groups in germany (f.e. Frank Schulenburg), which was taken as harassment. But I did, do and will complain in public about the blockage of people,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread Florence Devouard
Le 4/30/13 12:52 PM, Richard Symonds a écrit : I think, perhaps, that the reform of the Wikimania bidding process could use a new thread! Yaroslav is not telling us about his experience on the bidding process, but about his experience about (not) feeling loved and appreciated for his effort

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.comwrote: Yaroslav is not telling us about his experience on the bidding process, but about his experience about (not) feeling loved and appreciated for his effort and involvement. And boy... is that sad :( Flo Agreed, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Resignation announcement, and a parting remark to everyone

2013-04-30 Thread MZMcBride
Florence Devouard wrote: I was thinking of the numerous (quite successful) associations in France, which are simply made of entrepreneurs wishing to do things together (from networking, to training, to visits, conferences etc.). Most of those associations have only one staff member, a long-term

[Wikimedia-l] The one-employee secretariat model

2013-04-30 Thread Asaf Bartov
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 4:21 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Florence Devouard wrote: I was thinking of the numerous (quite successful) associations in France, which are simply made of entrepreneurs wishing to do things together (from networking, to training, to visits, conferences