Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Elections 2013

2013-05-11 Thread Takashi OTA
I have been working on a translation of FDC Ombud election in to Japanese. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/FDC_Ombudsperson_elections/2013 In the section of How to submit your candidacy, it reads: If you are eligible, you can submit your candidacy by doing the

[Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Hi all, for those of you who do not watch the RecentChanges on the Foundation wiki https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges, I think it might be somehow surprising to see that in a top-level decision, almost all volunteer administrators of the wiki have been stripped off

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Huib Laurens
The same happend to the Wikimedia Blog. Most of the moderators where volunteers (and the only real active ones also). My moderator rights where removed and I have to go after that myself, I didn't got a message or anything. While I was list administrator for wikitech-l I got the mail also that I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Craig Franklin
This sort of tone might be appropriate coming from HR in a bank or something, but I'm tremendously disappointed that something so tactless and rude was sent out from a senior officer in the Foundation to its volunteers. I know Gayle is a new hire, so I'm assuming good faith that she wasn't aware

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Russavia
Having an HR IR background myself, I am most surprised that the person for managing TALENT and CULTURE would take such a move without even so much as consulting with the community who keep the WMF's presence on the internet working, nor without giving them an actual reason as to why this has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Russavia
Apologies, I mean Gayle, not Karen. Russavia On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Having an HR IR background myself, I am most surprised that the person for managing TALENT and CULTURE would take such a move without even so much as consulting with the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliations Committee 2012 Annual Report

2013-05-11 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
phoebe ayers, 01/05/2013 21:54: Dear Bence and all, This is a very good report! It is very clear, just the right length and gives a good picture of all of the activity of the committee -- both accomplishments and frustrations. AffComm did a lot in 2012! Thank you very much for all of your and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliations Committee 2012 Annual Report

2013-05-11 Thread Bence Damokos
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: phoebe ayers, 01/05/2013 21:54: Dear Bence and all, This is a very good report! It is very clear, just the right length and gives a good picture of all of the activity of the committee -- both accomplishments

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Deryck Chan
Given the foundation's recent tsunami of centralisation I'm not surprised by this at all. The message is clear - the community doesn't belong here. Go back to meta. I'll be interested to see how long the WMF wiki will last before they hit their first massive technical problem happens and they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Itzik Edri
Can we please give time to the Foundation to response and express their side before everyone starts to attack them? I think we had enough of that on Internal-l. After the first response, or at least 24h, I will understand everyone feelings about that. (And right now I'm also don't agree or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread MZMcBride
Deryck Chan wrote: Given the foundation's recent tsunami of centralisation I'm not surprised by this at all. The message is clear - the community doesn't belong here. Go back to meta. Yeah, I think you're right. It seems to be part of a larger pattern. * Blog access has been restricted (as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread MZMcBride
Itzik Edri wrote: Can we please give time to the Foundation to response and express their side before everyone starts to attack them? I think we had enough of that on Internal-l. After the first response, or at least 24h, I will understand everyone feelings about that. (And right now I'm also

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Leslie Carr
Sent from my mobile. Please excuse the brevity and typos. On May 11, 2013 4:36 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Deryck Chan wrote: Given the foundation's recent tsunami of centralisation I'm not surprised by this at all. The message is clear - the community doesn't belong here. Go back

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
K. Peachey, 11/05/2013 16:59: On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote: ... As someone tasked with protecting the servers,ssh keys should be restricted as much as possible, both with staff and volunteers. that is technical and not political. That same argument

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread MZMcBride
Leslie Carr wrote: * Shell access has been restricted to staff only (no more volunteer sysadmins). Someone better tell that to domas and his ssh key. As someone tasked with protecting the servers, ssh keys should be restricted as much as possible, both with staff and volunteers. that is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:59 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 12:56 AM, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote: ... As someone tasked with protecting the servers,ssh keys should be restricted as much as possible, both with staff and volunteers. that is technical

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Leslie Carr
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:04 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Leslie Carr wrote: * Shell access has been restricted to staff only (no more volunteer sysadmins). Someone better tell that to domas and his ssh key. As someone tasked with protecting the servers, ssh keys should be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 11 May 2013 14:46, Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk wrote: Given the foundation's recent tsunami of centralisation I'm not surprised by this at all. Sad to say, this chimes with the Foundation's recent decision to consult on changes to en.Wikipedia's method of notifying users that they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 11 May 2013 15:36, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Yeah, I think you're right. It seems to be part of a larger pattern. + Withdrawal of the ability to use WMF logos/ wordmarks in community projects, such as QRpedia. -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/11/2013 06:26 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: Let me repeat that: the WMF does not wish volunteers to help out with running their wiki, even if they have been helping out almost since the very start of the wiki. Tomasz, while it seems clear that communications about that move seem to have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Marc A. Pelletier wrote: Tomasz, while it seems clear that communications about that move seem to have been lacking, I think it's unwarranted to ascribe ill-intent to the WMF staff. Perhaps you should wait for a response from them before you declare what their wishes may be or what their

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Theo10011
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: [Yes, I do understand there is a considerable time difference, etc; I'll be patiently waiting for a response from the WMF.] Might even have to wait till Monday. This was done on a Friday night I think. There

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Seb35
Le Sat, 11 May 2013 17:50:18 +0200, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org a écrit: Perhaps you should wait for a response from them before you declare what their wishes may be or what their reasons were? At the same time, it’s a very bad timing of doing such a controversial action just before

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Sue Gardner
Gayle is travelling today and not online, so I'll take a crack at responding to this. The editors are responsible for the projects: the Wikimedia Foundation knows that, acknowledges it, and is deeply appreciative (as are all readers) for the work that volunteers do in the projects. The Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread MZMcBride
Sue Gardner wrote: So. People can disagree with this decision, and that's okay. But ultimately, the Wikimedia Foundation is responsible for the Wikimedia Foundation wiki: it's our job to figure out how best to manage and Maintain it. That's what we're doing here. wikimediafoundation.org has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/11/2013 12:41 PM, Seb35 wrote: At the same time, it’s a very bad timing of doing such a controversial action just before weekend, and let people wondering during two days the reasons behind this action. So waiting still 2 days.. Yes, IMO that was a faux-pas. This should have been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
I'm not going to respond to all the points raised in your e-mail, Sue (partially because most of them are just too general), so let me just mentioned some of them. The editors are responsible for the projects: the Wikimedia Foundation knows that, acknowledges it, and is deeply appreciative

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Nathan
Argh, why do we have to keep going through this over and over again? I'm sure we're long past the point where Sue and many members of the staff are convinced that they will be attacked by someone in reaction to any decision they could make. Maybe that's true, but its no excuse for transforming

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Seb35
Thanks a lot for this explanation. On the other side, wikis not only need content producers (here WMF) but also curators (wikignomes) who are sorting the pages, deleting and moving pages, typocorrecting, templating things, helping new users in formatting texts, etc. (I read some of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Erik Moeller
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: My understanding is that administrator rights have been removed from a small number of volunteers, but that those people still have basic editing rights. Far more than basic, actually. The WMF wiki is unusual in that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Katherine Casey
Having read through this entire thread, I have to ask: would there have been any value in, instead of desysopping non-staff (because there appears to be a possibly-valid argument that non-staff did most of the administrative work on the wmf wiki), instead making it clear that unlike on all other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: These are questions directed at the WMF—for you regular folks, I have a riddle (I'll give a WikiLove barnstar to the first person to submit a correct answer). There is /at least/ one community member who does

[Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread rupert THURNER
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: I'm not going to respond to all the points raised in your e-mail, Sue (partially because most of them are just too general), so let me just mentioned some of them. On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Sue Gardner

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Jacob Orlowitz
I just want to highlight Nathan's excellent and reasonable point: The WMF could work on: manag[ing] the implementation of a change that affects dedicated volunteers. An advanced notice, an explanation, a thank you, an expression of hope that volunteers will continue to help. That's all it would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread David Gerard
On 11 May 2013 19:45, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: i would have expected a movement blog behind this URL, appropriate to the usage of the domain, but i am not sure if i am completely misreading this? Comcom has been actively seeking more contributions from people other than

Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 11.05.2013 21:26, David Gerard wrote: On 11 May 2013 19:45, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: i would have expected a movement blog behind this URL, appropriate to the usage of the domain, but i am not sure if i am completely misreading this? Comcom has been actively seeking

Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Oliver Keyes
No, ComCom is the communications committee. It's made up of people who are movement spokespeople/otherwise have an interest in communication, by my understanding. That's obviously going to include Chapters people, but it's not limited to it. On 11 May 2013 21:03, Yaroslav M. Blanter

Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread James Forrester
On 11 May 2013 13:03, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: At this point I am lost. Comcom is made of the representative of chapters, right? (I just happen to know this because the representatives of the Russian chapter there have hmm... complicated relations with the communities of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread David Gerard
On 11 May 2013 21:03, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: At this point I am lost. Comcom is made of the representative of chapters, right? (I just happen to know this because the representatives of the Russian chapter there have hmm... complicated relations with the communities of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Casey Brown
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:15 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: This is the email that got sent out to everyone, For what it's worth, this didn't get sent out to everyone. I was a bureaucrat and administrator, and have the most edits on that wiki (afaik?), and wasn't notified. Like Huib,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread K. Peachey
(Inline comments most likely, So shoot me) On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 2:48 AM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: … But, my understanding is also that occasionally volunteers have overridden decisions made by staff on the Wikimedia Foundation wiki. I don't think that's ever been a huge

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Mono
There's been a long-term conflict with volunteers staff on wikimediafoundation.org. As a user, I understand. Each staff member likes to keep everything their way. They frequently revert changes (take a look at the discussion and user talk pages, especially for MZMcBride) on 'staff authority'.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Nathan
If the conflict was primarily with MZMcBride (which seems to be the case), then it was a bit cowardly to overhaul the entire scheme on the site in order to avoid telling him to knock it off. On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Mono monom...@gmail.com wrote: There's been a long-term conflict with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread MZMcBride
Casey Brown wrote: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:15 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: This is the email that got sent out to everyone, For what it's worth, this didn't get sent out to everyone. I was a bureaucrat and administrator, and have the most edits on that wiki (afaik?), and wasn't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread MZMcBride
Nathan wrote: If the conflict was primarily with MZMcBride (which seems to be the case), then it was a bit cowardly to overhaul the entire scheme on the site in order to avoid telling him to knock it off. What'd I do? MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Mono
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:07 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Mono monom...@gmail.com wrote: There's been a long-term conflict with volunteers staff on wikimediafoundation.org. As a user, I understand. Each staff member likes to keep everything

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Thomas Goldammer
Wow, this was definitely a huge brick they dropped there... It seems, the WMF needs to hire someone (a diplomat) to counsel them about actions towards the volunteers. (Seriously!) Well, and when we are at it, the volunteer community might need a diplomat, too, one who counsels them about actions

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Mono
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Thomas Goldammer tho...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, this was definitely a huge brick they dropped there... It seems, the WMF needs to hire someone (a diplomat) to counsel them about actions towards the volunteers. (Seriously!) Or was there any sort of emergency

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Milos Rancic
Sue (or anyone from staff who is more precisely in charge for this), may you just revert this and open discussion to reach more sensible solution? I understand that there could be a good reason for this action, but the way it's been handled is not the perfect one. And at least permissions on a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Craig Franklin
Yes, this. I must admit, it's tremendously demotivating and makes me quite upset that people like Aphaia, Anthere, Danny B. and Thehelpfulone, people who have put hundreds if not thousands of hours of effort into this movement without asking for a single cent, over many many years, are treated as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Elections 2013

2013-05-11 Thread Philippe Beaudette
This is fixed, thank you. :-) pb ___ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 phili...@wikimedia.org On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Takashi OTA supertakot+foundatio...@gmail.com wrote: I have been working on a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-11 Thread Nathan
It's also worth noting this wasn't a last minute decision at all; its foreshadowed in a number of comments by Philippe going back to seemingly mid-March, and there may be warnings of it earlier. So the WMF staff have been discussing this change internally for at least 6 weeks or so. That's a long

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 110, Issue 27

2013-05-11 Thread Romaine Wiki
It doesn't sound like a smart decision to me. From my own experience I know that many office people in the Wikimedia movement do a great job, but are terrible in maintaining a wiki. While volunteers are mostly good at this because of their experience. Why removing the tools that experienced