Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliations Committee 2012 Annual Report

2013-05-12 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Bence Damokos, 11/05/2013 15:13: Yes, to be fair, since the closing of the report, we had made some progress on this issue (e.g. we've had some user group name templates pre-approved[1] during a meeting in Milan with Stephen from the legal team and had clarified the process and responsibilities

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Craig Franklin
Well, perhaps there was extensive consultation from Phillippe and Gayle if it had been planned over a long period of time and I just missed it. If that's the case, I'm sure that one of them will point it out for us first thing on Monday morning, at which point I'd have to start removing egg from

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues

2013-05-12 Thread Achal Prabhala
This is a question that came up on the Wikimedia India list, and I suspect the question (and potential solutions) are of interest to several others in our community, esp. from places with shorter copyright terms than the US. Cheers, Achal Original Message Subject:

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues

2013-05-12 Thread Achal Prabhala
Of relevance here: http://www.publicdomainday.org/sites/www.publicdomainday.eu/files/World_copyright-terms.jpg Original Message Subject:Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 14:51:27 +0530 From: Achal Prabhala

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues

2013-05-12 Thread David Cuenca
Hi Achal, For those cases there is a Wikisource clone called Wikilivres, whose server is in Canada and it is operated by a Canadian citizen. http://wikilivres.ca/ It is not very fast, but it serves as storage for such cases since the Canadian copyright law is quite permissive in that regard (50

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues

2013-05-12 Thread Achal Prabhala
Hi David, On Sunday 12 May 2013 07:33 PM, David Cuenca wrote: Hi Achal, For those cases there is a Wikisource clone called Wikilivres, whose server is in Canada and it is operated by a Canadian citizen. http://wikilivres.ca/ Thank you - I've seen it, and think it's great. It is not very

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

2013-05-12 Thread James Forrester
All, As an update, I'm afraid to announce that we will have to delay the process for some time. As my previous e-mail states, we had intended to start the final renaming process in the week commencing 27 May. However, given the scale of the task, it now is clear that this would interfere with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Florence Devouard
On 5/11/13 8:01 PM, Seb35 wrote: Thanks a lot for this explanation. On the other side, wikis not only need content producers (here WMF) but also curators (wikignomes) who are sorting the pages, deleting and moving pages, typocorrecting, templating things, helping new users in formatting texts,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliations Committee 2012 Annual Report

2013-05-12 Thread Gregory Varnum
Nemo, I'm not sure what you mean by a single person's POV. Are you referring to Stephen? While it is true that WMF Legal did the final writing of some guidelines - a few points: 1. They are guidelines - and AffCom has flexibility if it so desires and finds necessary. 2. They were written

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

2013-05-12 Thread James Forrester
On 12 May 2013 10:40, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: James Forrester, 12/05/2013 19:20: Sorry for the disruption to everyone's plans. If you have any questions, please do ask. Will you still make the lists and send out the notifications so that people can start planning?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Florence Devouard
On 5/11/13 10:03 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: On 11.05.2013 21:26, David Gerard wrote: On 11 May 2013 19:45, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: i would have expected a movement blog behind this URL, appropriate to the usage of the domain, but i am not sure if i am completely

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 12 May 2013 18:47, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: Alternatively, it might be good to really move as much as possible of the Wikimedia Foundation Wiki to meta (where at least, the community is in charge of who is admin and who is not). Mostly in charge, there are a few

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Florence Devouard
On 5/12/13 8:13 PM, David Gerard wrote: On 12 May 2013 18:47, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: Alternatively, it might be good to really move as much as possible of the Wikimedia Foundation Wiki to meta (where at least, the community is in charge of who is admin and who is not).

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Florence Devouard
On 5/12/13 8:26 PM, Thehelpfulone wrote: On 12 May 2013 18:47, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: Alternatively, it might be good to really move as much as possible of the Wikimedia Foundation Wiki to meta (where at least, the community is in charge of who is admin and who is not).

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 12 May 2013 19:44, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: :) Yeah, pretty bad. The main reason I would consider WMF wiki SHOULD NOT be an entirely staff-controlled and operated site is the fact we originally wanted it to be at least in part multilingual. Current staff does not seem

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thehelpfulone, 12/05/2013 20:58: For what it's worth, I did try to get some re-translation organised in early February: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF and asked communications staff at the WMF for their input. To be fair to them they did say that they'd look into it and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 12.05.2013 20:44, Florence Devouard wrote: The multilingualism we hoped so dearly has always been an issue. It is poorly dealt with on the Wikimedia Foundation blog. Poorly dealt with on the Foundation Wiki. Poorly dealt with on OTRS. :( Florence If someone approaches me and asks to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Florence Devouard
On 5/12/13 9:28 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: On 12.05.2013 20:44, Florence Devouard wrote: The multilingualism we hoped so dearly has always been an issue. It is poorly dealt with on the Wikimedia Foundation blog. Poorly dealt with on the Foundation Wiki. Poorly dealt with on OTRS. :(

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues (David Cuenca)

2013-05-12 Thread Geoff Brigham
As Achal pointed out, we will put resources into researching this issue in depth and hopefully finding a solution that may work. It will probably take a month or two to ensure we are looking at all possibilities to see if this is possible. If you have any great ideas, please feel free to send

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Philippe Beaudette
That is correct. Because despite your attempts to turn me into the decision making authority here, I wasn't. You don't need to talk to the worker bee who executed, you want to talk to the person who made the decision. That's not me. And she is traveling. And also, you know, I'm working brutal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread MZMcBride
Philippe Beaudette wrote: You want an explanation? I'm sure that Gayle will offer one. But for the umpteenth time, I was the person pushing the button because someone had to be. Why did you feel compelled to act here when it wasn't your decision? Was there something preventing Gayle from doing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
MZMcBride, 12/05/2013 22:45: Why did you feel compelled to act here when it wasn't your decision? Was there something preventing Gayle from doing this herself? Be honest, if Gayle had done this herself you would have said that maybe she hadn't read the documentation on Special:UserRights

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Florence Devouard
On 5/12/13 10:45 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Philippe Beaudette wrote: You want an explanation? I'm sure that Gayle will offer one. But for the umpteenth time, I was the person pushing the button because someone had to be. Why did you feel compelled to act here when it wasn't your decision? Was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Craig Franklin
Thanks for clarifying this Phillippe. I must say that I think this discussion is becoming unpleasantly personal (and my initial email on the topic probably didn't help there, I concede). How about we stop pointing fingers at each other and conduct an honest and transparent appraisal of what has

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 05/12/2013 04:42 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: The most he could ask from you is a comment on how frequently you have to be the one pushing the button against the community. Again with this meme! Against the community. *NOBODY* works against the community. Sometimes, we do things that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Tim Starling
On 12/05/13 02:48, Sue Gardner wrote: The staff working on the Wikimedia Foundation wiki have jobs they've got to get done, in support of the entire movement. If they spend days or weeks needing to persuade a single community member of the merits of something they want to do on the Foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues

2013-05-12 Thread David Cuenca
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Achal Prabhala aprabh...@gmail.comwrote: This looks great, and I was wondering if the last point on the list (working with other entities) also includes finding a way to placehold works that have gone out of copyright in other countries, and are hosted on,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Gayle Karen Young
Hello folks, So... I caught bits of this while I was on layover between plane flights, so I've had time to have the multiple reactions that one has (nothing like an 11-hour flight to think about a situation). I've had time to feel defensive, insulted, opened, humbled, curious, thoughtful,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Alex Zariv
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:15 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote: This is the email that got sent out to everyone, For what it's worth, this didn't get sent out to everyone. I was a bureaucrat and administrator,

[Wikimedia-l] Moving forward: a proposal (Re: Community/WMF)

2013-05-12 Thread FT2
I've started a new thread to step back from the long thread, and look forward towards something that I think we need - or might want - to do. This is not at all the first time of clumsy handling, or conflicting actions and perceptions, leading to tensions and drama between the editing community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Gayle Karen Young wrote: Hello folks, [...] Gayle So what did you want to say? I haven't been able to find any answers to any questions that have been asked by so many people in this thread. -- Tomasz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moving forward: a proposal (Re: Community/WMF)

2013-05-12 Thread FT2
Afterthought x 3: - WMF and its staff should probably have an explicit understanding that they often need to bend for community approaches and collaboration, and expectations (rather than the other way round). *Rationale: -* WMF needs to ensure that staff know good ways to work

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: So what did you want to say? I haven't been able to find any answers to any questions that have been asked by so many people in this thread. Try and be a bit nicer please. Gayle is still relatively new and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Russavia
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Gayle Karen Young gyo...@wikimedia.org wrote: This definitely feels like a bit of trial by fire. True dat. Now that you have received your initiation, there's nothing left to say but WELCOME TO WIKIPEDIA :) Cheers, Russavia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Philippe Beaudette
So, I took Florence's excellent advice and went for a walk (beautiful day in SF, by the way - absolutely perfect). And I reflected on what I've seen since flipping the switch on things last Friday. Here's where I stand, and I haven't discussed this with anyone else at WMF, including Gayle. At

Re: [Wikimedia-l] UK.Gov passes Instagram Act

2013-05-12 Thread Nikolas Becker
Hi everyone! I am sorry for replying to this week-old thread, but I just read it and wanted to take the chance adding a short hint: There is a (relatively new) Wikimedia working group on EU policy [1] with an explicit task force for the orphan works issue:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues (David Cuenca)

2013-05-12 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Geoff Brigham gbrig...@wikimedia.orgwrote: As Achal pointed out, we will put resources into researching this issue in depth and hopefully finding a solution that may work. It will probably take a month or two to ensure we are looking at all possibilities to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Hi Philippe, your message just reminds me a recent message I sent here and a general feeling about sometimes the wiki community only stressing the negative aspects and mistakes we all do (contractors, staff, volunteers etc.) * Highlight the positive aspects and multicultural comparisons

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues (David Cuenca)

2013-05-12 Thread Geoff Brigham
* Hi Theo, Thank you for your email. I'm truly sorry that you feel this way. I have been thinking for some time about the issue of finding alternative solutions to Golan-type issues, and frankly I have not been too optimistic in the past. I think it is an important issue to our mission,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Casey Brown
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Try and be a bit nicer please. Gayle is still relatively new and this level of scrutiny might be jarring for someone. Comments like these have always bothered me. Gayle isn't some random secretary or new run-of-the-mill

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Casey Brown, 13/05/2013 07:05: [...] [Note that I'm speaking generally -- I personally think Gayle can handle criticism and she seems very nice. She also probably had no idea this would create dramz. My comment is directed towards the general omg think of the staff member! response to criticism

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread James Alexander
* I'm just going to top post here because responding to you in line won't be helpful to anybody.The staff ARE held to a higher standard, they are held to a higher standard day in and day out. If you don't think they are then you're blind. They get attacked at a level that is NOTHING compared to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

2013-05-12 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Casey Brown, 13/05/2013 07:05: [...] [Note that I'm speaking generally -- I personally think Gayle can handle criticism and she seems very nice. She also probably had no idea this would create dramz. My comment